"Those Bicyclists Blow Right Through Red Lights!"
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I had something interesting happen to me today on my 34 mile loop. I don't mind using a shoulder or a parking lane to travel in, but when I approach a traffic light or stop sign I become a part of traffic in the traffic lanes. It lessens my chances of being right hooked or having a left turner take me out. Today I moved into the traffic lane and as I did the light turned red. As soon as the little cross traffic cleared, a guy behind me honked. I looked back and he motioned for me to go. I was getting ready to go anyway. When I did he took a right. He thought it was OK for me to scoot on across so he could make his turn.
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I blow through about 5-15 red lights a day, depending on what kind of attitude I get from the downtown traffic... safely of course.
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I'll use small words - you are wrong.
-mr. bill
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Leave it to Massachusetts folk pretending they are different.
Far right as practicable vs give way to the right; no difference except in the full FRAP law we at least get the advantage of the exceptions.
Again mr. bill, thank you for proving my point.
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What evidence was presented to show that a "suitable and visible signal" was being given by the driver of the overtaking vehicle?
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Which is no different from enforcing FRAP. You just want to use different words even though they were applied the same by the police and this judge.
Leave it to Massachusetts folk pretending they are different.
Far right as practicable vs give way to the right; no difference except in the full FRAP law we at least get the advantage of the exceptions.
Again mr. bill, thank you for proving my point.
Leave it to Massachusetts folk pretending they are different.
Far right as practicable vs give way to the right; no difference except in the full FRAP law we at least get the advantage of the exceptions.
Again mr. bill, thank you for proving my point.
-mr. bill
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In regard to the OP, in over 50 years of riding and observing other riders, blowing lights is the rule, not the exception. Yeah, in many cases it's easy for us to see that we have the right of way and it's safe to proceed, but in the eyes of those who are observing our behavior, we're blowing lights. Perception is 99% of reality, unfortunately.
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Horsepucky. Everyone needs to be operating from the same playbook...rules of the road apply to all vehicles operating on the road. The advantage of a bicycle is that the rider has some unique ways to bend those rules.
In regard to the OP, in over 50 years of riding and observing other riders, blowing lights is the rule, not the exception. Yeah, in many cases it's easy for us to see that we have the right of way and it's safe to proceed, but in the eyes of those who are observing our behavior, we're blowing lights. Perception is 99% of reality, unfortunately.
In regard to the OP, in over 50 years of riding and observing other riders, blowing lights is the rule, not the exception. Yeah, in many cases it's easy for us to see that we have the right of way and it's safe to proceed, but in the eyes of those who are observing our behavior, we're blowing lights. Perception is 99% of reality, unfortunately.
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Best if you just wake up.
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OK...think about this. Tonight you go to sleep and have a dream that you are driving a car in the Daytona 500, only you notice that all the other cars are race cars doing 200+mph and you find yourself in a 1966 Ford Falcon that can barely muster 80mph. Are you going to "take the lane" and drive in the same positions and under the same rules as all of the cars flying by you at 100mph more than you are going?
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Best if you just wake up.
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Horsepucky. Everyone needs to be operating from the same playbook...rules of the road apply to all vehicles operating on the road. The advantage of a bicycle is that the rider has some unique ways to bend those rules.
In regard to the OP, in over 50 years of riding and observing other riders, blowing lights is the rule, not the exception. Yeah, in many cases it's easy for us to see that we have the right of way and it's safe to proceed, but in the eyes of those who are observing our behavior, we're blowing lights. Perception is 99% of reality, unfortunately.
In regard to the OP, in over 50 years of riding and observing other riders, blowing lights is the rule, not the exception. Yeah, in many cases it's easy for us to see that we have the right of way and it's safe to proceed, but in the eyes of those who are observing our behavior, we're blowing lights. Perception is 99% of reality, unfortunately.
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OK...think about this. Tonight you go to sleep and have a dream that you are driving a car in the Daytona 500, only you notice that all the other cars are race cars doing 200+mph and you find yourself in a 1966 Ford Falcon that can barely muster 80mph. Are you going to "take the lane" and drive in the same positions and under the same rules as all of the cars flying by you at 100mph more than you are going?
Best if you just wake up.
Best if you just wake up.
Show me the rule that says I have to take the lane and impede traffic due to my speed differential. You can't....taking the lane is a tactic based on circumstances, not impeding faster traffic is a rule - why would I apply a tactic that is so obviously dumb and doesn't conform with the rule? Check and mate. Rules versus tactics...understand the difference and you might not sound so foolish.
Edit: good to see ole Baron von Follower playing the toady.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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Rode hard, put up wet...but much better now. ;-)
How ya'll doing?
How ya'll doing?
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That you don't know the difference between rules and operational tactics is why I never take you seriously, Joey. The rules of the road say we stop at signals...on a bike we can comply with the spirit of that rule without following the letter of the law...the operational characteristics of our vehicle allows us to use different tactics to accomplish the same result...safely negotiating a signaled/signed intersection. You know this...you ride the same way I do and have survived just as long...even if you ain't as pretty.
Show me the rule that says I have to take the lane and impede traffic due to my speed differential. You can't....taking the lane is a tactic based on circumstances, not impeding faster traffic is a rule - why would I apply a tactic that is so obviously dumb and doesn't conform with the rule? Check and mate. Rules versus tactics...understand the difference and you might not sound so foolish.
Show me the rule that says I have to take the lane and impede traffic due to my speed differential. You can't....taking the lane is a tactic based on circumstances, not impeding faster traffic is a rule - why would I apply a tactic that is so obviously dumb and doesn't conform with the rule? Check and mate. Rules versus tactics...understand the difference and you might not sound so foolish.
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OK...think about this. Tonight you go to sleep and have a dream that you are driving a car in the Daytona 500, only you notice that all the other cars are race cars doing 200+mph and you find yourself in a 1966 Ford Falcon that can barely muster 80mph. Are you going to "take the lane" and drive in the same positions and under the same rules as all of the cars flying by you at 100mph more than you are going?
Best if you just wake up.
Best if you just wake up.
But back in the real world, there are strict sporting rules governing competitor behavior.
And oddly enough, even in competitive single class motor sports, speed differentials between competitors often are in the same ballpark as the speed differential between motor vehicles and people on bicycles. In multi class motor sports, speed differential between competitors can be far greater that what we amateurs are used to.
So, back in the real world, there are *STRICT* sporting rules governing competitor behavior - both for the competitor being overtaken and for the competitor overtaking. Those competitors unable to abide by those *STRICT* sporting rules are not long for the sport.
(Hint - unpredictability is unsafe.)
-mr. bill
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The race is not LITERAL. This is why I put it in a dream.
You DO face it every day you ride you bike in reality. Motor vehicles are the race cars and YOU on your BIKE is the Ford Falcon. The speed differential is about the same for bikes vs. cars and race cars vs. family cars. What makes the Daytona 500 "safe" is that everyone is driving about the same speed. If you threw a Ford Falcon out there, and the driver of said Falcon tried to "act" like a race car, there would be all sorts of danger. Same as if you take your bicycle out on the highway and act like a motor vehicle.
Sheesh. Can't remember the last time I was so tempted to launch a personal attack here. Now I know why some folks here will just never get "it". I am OUT.
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Interestingly these same people often insist on slavish adherence to traffic codes.
Interestingly these same people often insist on slavish adherence to traffic codes.
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You claim that HAWAII'S bike laws are SUPERIOR to Massachusetts? You may well the only person foolish enough to claim such a thing. FRAP < FRAP with exceptions < NO FRAP. States are *LEARNING* from Massachusetts, there are now FIVE states without FRAP. So, if your point is that YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, then you've proved your point. Happy to help.
Read the opinion. (You all know that the case was settled without going to trial in favor of Eli Damon, right?)
-mr. bill
Read the opinion. (You all know that the case was settled without going to trial in favor of Eli Damon, right?)
-mr. bill
Why do you insist the "give way to the right" law is better than FRAP with exceptions. Especially when it is enforced as a must stay right, or you WILL be ticketed law.
You seem proud of what Eli had to go through just to get a settlement.
With FRAP exceptions, I have at least convinced cops in several states that my riding was legal and it would be wrong of them to write a ticket. Seems FRAP with exceptions has worked better for me in several states than your law with no exceptions.
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When you post as knowing someones position on a subject, your are putting words in their mouth, often used as a strawman, also a troll tactic.
Reread your post and you have several examples for yourself.
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Sadly, it seems some here only have the ability of abstract thought. Balance is good both on and off of a bicycle.
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