Oh, you mean that guy that Sheryl Crow is dating ! ACk..
#26
The Cycling Photographer
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Orange, CA
Posts: 1,404
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by AdrianB
but why does she sniff the bagels?
jeff
#27
The Cycling Photographer
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Orange, CA
Posts: 1,404
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Phatman
by any chance is she like REALLY hot? I can put up with REALLY HOT girls that say stupid things, but not ugly stupid girls. sorry to be a pig, ladies, its just a fact of life.
it would take a lot of tequila to make her look better
jeff
#28
The Cycling Photographer
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Orange, CA
Posts: 1,404
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
[QUOTE=ngateguy]
Why? we are saturated with NASCAR everywhere we look these days I have no interest in it so I could not tell you any drivers name, well except Enhardt Jr, and I have no clue who's the best is. I certainly hope that doesn't make me clueless.
but you have at least HEARD of Earnhardt, right ?
jeff
Originally Posted by SipperPhotoor the Subaru commercials, or whatever....
Even people with no interest in cycling should at least have somewhat of a clue of who he is... even if all they know is that he rides bikes..
jeff[/QUOTE
Even people with no interest in cycling should at least have somewhat of a clue of who he is... even if all they know is that he rides bikes..
jeff[/QUOTE
Why? we are saturated with NASCAR everywhere we look these days I have no interest in it so I could not tell you any drivers name, well except Enhardt Jr, and I have no clue who's the best is. I certainly hope that doesn't make me clueless.
but you have at least HEARD of Earnhardt, right ?
jeff
#29
Wide Load
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: North Texas, USA
Posts: 285
Bikes: Trek 7300
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
Originally Posted by MKRG
What would you load it with?
The only trick would be making sure everybody else in the building knew not to eat the bagels that Friday...
#30
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Madison, WI USA
Posts: 6,157
Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2364 Post(s)
Liked 1,751 Times
in
1,193 Posts
Originally Posted by CrimsonCyclist
The problem with calling football "football" is that you risk confusing your friends who would think of the sport in which 300-lbs guys huff and puff with stop-and-stop-and-more-stop action and still call themselves athletes.
#31
Every lane is a bike lane
Originally Posted by SchreiberBike
So who is Cheryl Crow anyway. I could Google it, but that would show that I care.
She sings right?
She sings right?
__________________
I am clinically insane. I am proud of it.
That is all.
I am clinically insane. I am proud of it.
That is all.
#32
Every lane is a bike lane
Originally Posted by madpogue
... all the while hardly ever using their feet on the ball.
__________________
I am clinically insane. I am proud of it.
That is all.
I am clinically insane. I am proud of it.
That is all.
#33
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: n.w. superdrome
Posts: 17,687
Bikes: 1 trek, serotta, rih, de Reus, Pogliaghi and finally a Zieleman! and got a DeRosa
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times
in
9 Posts
Originally Posted by Chris L
I was going to ask that myself. In anycase, I doubt she can sing like Katy Steele.
play guitar with the best of em (dated Clapton), and actually sing.
Hell, thats more than what most of the so called "divas" can do.
Marty
__________________
Sono più lento di quel che sembra.
Odio la gente, tutti.
Want to upgrade your membership? Click Here.
Sono più lento di quel che sembra.
Odio la gente, tutti.
Want to upgrade your membership? Click Here.
#34
Lost in Boston
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 61
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by lotek
Not sure who Katy Steele is, but Ms. Crow can write music (she was a music teacher),
play guitar with the best of em (dated Clapton), and actually sing.
Hell, thats more than what most of the so called "divas" can do.
Marty
play guitar with the best of em (dated Clapton), and actually sing.
Hell, thats more than what most of the so called "divas" can do.
Marty
#35
Lost in Boston
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 61
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Chris L
I've often wondered about that. I mean, there's only really one game in the world that you can call "football". And it's played with a round ball.
Alas, in this country, football refers to that mediocrity of a sport.
#36
Every lane is a bike lane
Originally Posted by lotek
Not sure who Katy Steele is,
__________________
I am clinically insane. I am proud of it.
That is all.
I am clinically insane. I am proud of it.
That is all.
#37
The Cycling Photographer
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Orange, CA
Posts: 1,404
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by CrimsonCyclist
Yes, Sheryl Crow can write and sing, unlike whatever-her-name-is that obnoxiously screams "I am beautiful..." every time I turn on the radio or that person, whose name I can't recall, who annulled her hours-old marriage.
actually the person that sings "I am beautiful" is Christina Aguilera.. and she actually can sing (even though I don't care for her music)... the one that got annulled is Britney Spears.
Ack.. sometimes I retain too much useless knowledge
jeff
#38
Lost in Boston
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 61
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by SipperPhoto
actually the person that sings "I am beautiful" is Christina Aguilera.. and she actually can sing (even though I don't care for her music)... the one that got annulled is Britney Spears.
Ack.. sometimes I retain too much useless knowledge
jeff
Ack.. sometimes I retain too much useless knowledge
jeff
#39
Evil Genius
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sumner, WA
Posts: 1,529
Bikes: '92 novara ponderosa, '74 schwinn le tour, Novara fusion, novara transfer, novara randonee(2), novara careema pro, novara bonita(2).
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by CrimsonCyclist
Thanks. I actually knew who they were... just didn't want to say their names because I can't stand them.
#40
Evil Genius
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sumner, WA
Posts: 1,529
Bikes: '92 novara ponderosa, '74 schwinn le tour, Novara fusion, novara transfer, novara randonee(2), novara careema pro, novara bonita(2).
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
You should go to the thai/vietnemese section of a store and get some fish sauce for all those bagles. its made from salt and fermented anchovies for a nice strong smell(not bad but certainly not bagel like). Works great as an ingredient (almost every Thai dish uses it, like soy sauce is in china/japan) but I would not recomend it as a sole flavor for those that don't know its main uses well.
#41
DEADBEEF
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Catching his breath alongside a road near Seattle, WA USA
Posts: 12,234
Bikes: 1999 K2 OzM, 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times
in
4 Posts
Originally Posted by gonesh9
Exactly. My theory is that sports like cycling and soccer don't get the recognition they deserve in the U.S. because they are not "American" sports.
I'm so sick of the fact that it's perfectly fine to not know who Armstrong or Rooney are, but if you don't know who won the World Series or the NBA finals, you are a worthless unpatriotic scumbag. The ironic thing is that the typical baseball/football/basketball fan is fat and lazy, living their athletic life vicariously through the television. They'll tell you soccer/bicycling aren't "real" sports.... like channel surfing and yelling at the T.V. is.
I'm so sick of the fact that it's perfectly fine to not know who Armstrong or Rooney are, but if you don't know who won the World Series or the NBA finals, you are a worthless unpatriotic scumbag. The ironic thing is that the typical baseball/football/basketball fan is fat and lazy, living their athletic life vicariously through the television. They'll tell you soccer/bicycling aren't "real" sports.... like channel surfing and yelling at the T.V. is.
__________________
1999 K2 OzM 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
1999 K2 OzM 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
#42
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: NY
Posts: 53
Bikes: '09 Bianchi San Jose, '04 LeMond Buenos Aires, '91 GT Karakoram K2, '00 Nirve BMX
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by khuon
It doesn't get any more American than to receive that bicycle for a birthday or for Christmas. Or how about dad teaching the daughter how to ride a bike? Every kid I've known has grown up with a bike. It's such a part of tradition.
Cycling as sport, pro-peloton stuff specifically, is decidedly the antithesis of American sporting ideals. American sports generally prize maximum effort aimed at victory, and Americans love a winner. Cycling has so many unwrritten rules of etiquette, which often stress not going all out at what are deemed inappropriate times, who can attack, whom can be attacked and when, etc. defiance of which can lead one's competitors to, not try to win, but to try to make you lose. And that right there is the big difference to me. In U.S. sports, if you can't beat your opponent, you lose (Mike Tyson notwithstanding.) In cycling, if you can't beat your opponent, you try and prevent him from winning.
Plus, much of Europe hates a winner anyway, preferring instead a heroic loser. Poulidor over Anquetil, for example, or hatred of Merckx, or now Armstrong. (On the flip side, Schumacher is suprisingly popular. Cherchez les Francais?) Americans would love the idea of an underdog coming out of nowhere and going for a win, even if he got crushed by the pack. Europeans would ask who this nobody thinks he is making the stars work to chase him, and he would get a tongue-lashing, at least, between when he was caught and when he was dropped.
Anyway, although we on the fora love it and many Americans might like watching a bike race on TV, if you explained to them what was really going on in the peleton, I don't think most Americans could get their head around it. When I've watched F1 with my more traditional-sports oriented buddies, they go nuts over team orders and the like. To U.S. sensibilities, it just doesn't seem right. I would suggest it's one worldview shaped by a feudal history and one without.
#43
One knee is enough
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: East Central Illinois
Posts: 281
Bikes: 1978 Fuji - now fixed and pegged. 1980s Cannondale Touring - pegged with 18 speeds. 2001 Cannondale CADD 3 - not being ridden
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by SchreiberBike
So who is Cheryl Crow anyway. I could Google it, but that would show that I care.
She sings right?
She sings right?
I know nothing about music, but she wasn't half bad. She played piano and guitar and sang. She's good looking, but seemed to have more talent than appearance and she didn't look plastic at all. And she's a grownup, not some 20-something eye candy.
Good for Lance.
#44
Center of the Universe
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 4,374
Bikes: Bianchi San Remo, Norvara Intrepid MTB , Softride Solo 700
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by SchreiberBike
I take it back, I had some PBS music show on last night while I was cleaning the house and my daughter said that it was Cheryl Crow.
I know nothing about music, but she wasn't half bad. She played piano and guitar and sang. She's good looking, but seemed to have more talent than appearance and she didn't look plastic at all. And she's a grownup, not some 20-something eye candy.
Good for Lance.
I know nothing about music, but she wasn't half bad. She played piano and guitar and sang. She's good looking, but seemed to have more talent than appearance and she didn't look plastic at all. And she's a grownup, not some 20-something eye candy.
Good for Lance.
__________________
Matthew 6
Matthew 6
#45
DEADBEEF
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Catching his breath alongside a road near Seattle, WA USA
Posts: 12,234
Bikes: 1999 K2 OzM, 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times
in
4 Posts
Originally Posted by tortoise
Cycling as sport, pro-peloton stuff specifically, is decidedly the antithesis of American sporting ideals. American sports generally prize maximum effort aimed at victory, and Americans love a winner. Cycling has so many unwrritten rules of etiquette, which often stress not going all out at what are deemed inappropriate times, who can attack, whom can be attacked and when, etc. defiance of which can lead one's competitors to, not try to win, but to try to make you lose. And that right there is the big difference to me. In U.S. sports, if you can't beat your opponent, you lose (Mike Tyson notwithstanding.) In cycling, if you can't beat your opponent, you try and prevent him from winning.
Another thing I'd like to mention is that bicycle racing is a sport that is a celebration of a certain type of lifestyle. Most bike race fans ride bikes on a regular basis and it's a part of their daily life. They do it to get to work, run errands, maintain their mental and physical health, see sites, etc. I know baseball fans who have developed a lifestyle around baseball (decorate their house with baseball pictures, get their birthday cake with baseball stitching, make their cellphones ring with "Take me Out to the Ballgame", etc) but they've done it the other way around. They've embraced and created a lifestyle around an activity instead of embracing the activity because of their lifestyle. It seems the former method is more popular with the US in general. Most would term it a fad and while it can be a long running fad, we all know how much people in the US love fads.
__________________
1999 K2 OzM 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
1999 K2 OzM 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
Last edited by khuon; 06-28-04 at 01:02 PM.
#46
Banned.
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 616
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by tortoise
You're certainly correct in this, but...
Cycling as sport, pro-peloton stuff specifically, is decidedly the antithesis of American sporting ideals.
Plus, much of Europe hates a winner anyway, preferring instead a heroic loser. Poulidor over Anquetil, for example, or hatred of Merckx, or now Armstrong. (On the flip side, Schumacher is suprisingly popular. Cherchez les Francais?) Americans would love the idea of an underdog coming out of nowhere and going for a win, even if he got crushed by the pack. Europeans would ask who this nobody thinks he is making the stars work to chase him, and he would get a tongue-lashing, at least, between when he was caught and when he was dropped.
Anyway, although we on the fora love it and many Americans might like watching a bike race on TV, if you explained to them what was really going on in the peleton, I don't think most Americans could get their head around it. When I've watched F1 with my more traditional-sports oriented buddies, they go nuts over team orders and the like. To U.S. sensibilities, it just doesn't seem right. I would suggest it's one worldview shaped by a feudal history and one without.
Cycling as sport, pro-peloton stuff specifically, is decidedly the antithesis of American sporting ideals.
Plus, much of Europe hates a winner anyway, preferring instead a heroic loser. Poulidor over Anquetil, for example, or hatred of Merckx, or now Armstrong. (On the flip side, Schumacher is suprisingly popular. Cherchez les Francais?) Americans would love the idea of an underdog coming out of nowhere and going for a win, even if he got crushed by the pack. Europeans would ask who this nobody thinks he is making the stars work to chase him, and he would get a tongue-lashing, at least, between when he was caught and when he was dropped.
Anyway, although we on the fora love it and many Americans might like watching a bike race on TV, if you explained to them what was really going on in the peleton, I don't think most Americans could get their head around it. When I've watched F1 with my more traditional-sports oriented buddies, they go nuts over team orders and the like. To U.S. sensibilities, it just doesn't seem right. I would suggest it's one worldview shaped by a feudal history and one without.
I doubt there's anything inherently un-American about soccer, for example. True, I can't for the life of me understand what makes that game so interesting to others, but I do concede that if I grew up with it I'd get it. In the U.S., baseball and football captured people's imaginations while the sorting out of public professional sports preferences was still much more flexible. Why was that? Baseball caught on in rural areas around the time of the Civil War, and football was the local variant on older games like rugby and field hockey that people happened to get interested in. These just happened to be the games that people were playing the U.S. at the right time. So when there was finally lots of money available for professional sports-- when industrialization made the country much wealthier in the early 20th century, and when a lot of money was being spent on newly growing cities-- large amounts of capital were invested in the existing sports, interest from media and advertisers centered on those sports, and so the barriers to entry of other sports became very high.
But why these sports, and not, say, soccer? There are plenty of cultural differences between America and Europe that arose because of a century of development after independence and with the Atlantic between the two areas. So, that Americans would be interested in different sports by the beginning of the 20th centry isn't more puzzling than the differences in the language that arose between the U.S. and Britain, or the other differences between American and European customs.
There may be something else specific to say about bicycle racing, though. Cycle racing was big in the U.S. before the adoption of the automobile, but it didn't persist in its primacy for very long. The country was captivated quickly by cars, and by aviation.
I'm just guessing, but I'd think the greater wealth and the larger travel distances of the U.S. compared to Europe made automobiles relatively more appealing to Americans, and left less room in American hearts for bicyclists to capture the sports culture.
Interesting question, though.
Anyway, in short, the problem *now* for cycle racing in the U.S. is that sports interest is pretty much as big as it's going to get with the present population, for the present population sports interest was more or less inherited, and this interest is directed already at other sports. Getting baseball, football, or basketball fans interested in other sports is not realistic. Why things got to this point is more difficult to answer, true.
#47
DEADBEEF
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Catching his breath alongside a road near Seattle, WA USA
Posts: 12,234
Bikes: 1999 K2 OzM, 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times
in
4 Posts
Originally Posted by Merriwether
There may be something else specific to say about bicycle racing, though. Cycle racing was big in the U.S. before the adoption of the automobile, but it didn't persist in its primacy for very long. The country was captivated quickly by cars, and by aviation.
__________________
1999 K2 OzM 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
1999 K2 OzM 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
#48
Banned.
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 616
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by khuon
I wish the interest in aviation still exists. There was a time when races like the Bendix Cup or the Thompson Trophy captured the hearts and minds of the American public. Those were competitions that should have held a special place in our culture. They were internationally set with all the majesty, tradition and elegence as only seen today in such things as the Kentucky Derby. The Reno air races pale in comparison to many of the races during the golden age of aviation.
Still, there is a lot of interest in private aviation at the lower end. Ultralights, not-so-legal heavier planes, and kit planes are big in the United States now. Oshkosh is a booming concern. You sound like you know about aviation, so you probably know that the FAA is planning to change is regulations to permit many more private planes to be certified, and to allow people who fly smaller, low performance planes to get certified very easily. It could be that we're on the cusp of much more interest in private aviation. If there were tort reform in the private aircraft industry I'd be sure of it. With the developments in engines and materials now, it should be possible for factories to produce quality private aircraft for the price of a higher end SUV or a sports car.
Anyway, as far as Lance is concerned, there may well be plenty in the future to distract us even more from bicycle racing.
#49
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: CT
Posts: 496
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by CrimsonCyclist
The problem with calling football "football" is that you risk confusing your friends who would think of the sport in which 300-lbs guys huff and puff with stop-and-stop-and-more-stop action and still call themselves athletes.
Regarding Lance's situation, I don't think we should judge him without knowing the facts. Marriage is more demanding, more taxing than any climb up l'Ape D'Huez.
Regarding Lance's situation, I don't think we should judge him without knowing the facts. Marriage is more demanding, more taxing than any climb up l'Ape D'Huez.
American Football players are as athletic in thier own right as any professional athletes are.
#50
Devilmaycare Cycling Fool
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Wynnum, Australia
Posts: 3,819
Bikes: 1998 Cannondale F700
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by JasBike
American Football players are as athletic in thier own right as any professional athletes are.