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Old 12-03-15, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass
And since you don't average 30mph nor ride in a TT position the entire time, which you failed to take into account, the actual difference wouldn't even be measurable to you. Hence, there is not a "far bigger impact".
Ah, back to the good old 'I can't tell therefore it doesn't exist.'
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Originally Posted by PepeM
Ah, back to the good old 'I can't tell therefore it doesn't exist.'
Yeah, just like your one ounce of less weight will make you faster claim. Well, no, it won't. You have some good ones.
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Still seething over that one aren't you?
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I can go fast and thats not the problem, i'm not a pro but as everybody knows the aero bikes first of all are made to go fast, second they weigth a little more than "climming" bike, and the geometry helps you to go faster due to the position you are pedaling...
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Still seething over that one aren't you?
Still laughing.
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Well, I am glad I managed to bring a bit of joy to your life.
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Originally Posted by Darth Steele
What year and size is your current Super Six Evo? post up some pic, I may want to buy it

as for new bike... fast areo : Bike of the Year 2016 - Cycling Weekly


personally I would give your right testicle for this bike:

Aero bike Road Bikes Tour de France Nitrogen Pro 2016
Is not for sale, its a 2013 evo super six with sram red 10speed
Ill post a picture when i get home
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the geometry helps you to go faster due to the position you are pedaling...
the geometry is only good if it fits your body, everything else is bull****.
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Not sure where you are located but Canyon AEROAD CF SLX 6.0 would be my choice. When ever they start shipping to the US I will buy

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I'm located in the caribean, have the same problem you have...
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the geometry is only good if it fits your body, everything else is bull****.
Yes and No, on an aero bike you have a foward position that on a "climing" bike you dont have it, this makes it easyer to mantain the speed, that same principle in lower scale as a Tri bike or a TT
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this is my current bike
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Yes and No, on an aero bike you have a foward position that on a "climing" bike you dont have it, this makes it easyer to mantain the speed, that same principle in lower scale as a Tri bike or a TT
There's no yes/no with regards to fit. It's either right or wrong.

The bottom line no matter the discipline is if you aren't properly positioned on the bike as per your unique physiology you lose performance. An "aero" frame that doesn't fit is as useless as a "climbing" bike that doesn't fit.
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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs
There's no yes/no with regards to fit. It's either right or wrong.

The bottom line no matter the discipline is if you aren't properly positioned on the bike as per your unique physiology you lose performance. An "aero" frame that doesn't fit is as useless as a "climbing" bike that doesn't fit.
I understand you perfectly, I never said I have a bad position, I beliave that with my trainer I got a really good position where I'm super confortable on the bike and I can go fast with it, the thing is I dont clim as much as I thought and an aero bike I believe will suit better my "needs" I repeat I dont do this for a living, this is my sport/hobby and obviusly I want to be as good as I can be...
I ride like 285 days a year like 40 miles each time I go out
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Originally Posted by Robius
That Argon18 is a really nice looking bike.

Personally i would wait for disc brake aero bikes or buy something like BH G7 disc which is a new aero bike.

Oddly enough you read my mind. My next bike will be an "Aero" bike with disc brakes. I will a look at that bike

https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/...aero-road-bike
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Originally Posted by em_quick

this is my current bike
2013 Cannondale Evo Supersix-Sram Red on Enve SES 6.7
That looks great. Very nice.
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Originally Posted by Darth Steele
Oddly enough you read my mind. My next bike will be an "Aero" bike with disc brakes. I will a look at that bike

First Look: BH G7 Disc Aero Road Bike | Bicycling
I bet that you are going through the same as me, you are super confortable on your bike and you can go super fast on it but still a climming bike the same as the tarmac, awsome bike and I'm not selling it I just want an aero bike because I ride on Flat surface 95% of the times.
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That looks great. Very nice.
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Flat black is not aerodynamic.
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Originally Posted by em_quick
I understand you perfectly, I never said I have a bad position, I beliave that with my trainer I got a really good position where I'm super confortable on the bike and I can go fast with it, the thing is I dont clim as much as I thought and an aero bike I believe will suit better my "needs" I repeat I dont do this for a living, this is my sport/hobby and obviusly I want to be as good as I can be...
I ride like 285 days a year like 40 miles each time I go out
I guess I should be more clear... anyone chasing the minutia of speed (OP for instance...) via "Aero" this or that, oughta realize they're not going to gain any worthwhile performance with an off the shelf frame, unless they're absolutely sure it will fit them all the while ensuring the full aero benefit of the frames properties... IOW you need to perfectly fit the frame (and that rarely happens) otherwise it's all marketing gobbledygook.
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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs
I guess I should be more clear... anyone chasing the minutia of speed (OP for instance...) via "Aero" this or that, oughta realize they're not going to gain any worthwhile performance with an off the shelf frame, unless they're absolutely sure it will fit them all the while ensuring the full aero benefit of the frames properties... IOW you need to perfectly fit the frame (and that rarely happens) otherwise it's all marketing gobbledygook.
I dont think is marketing, I believe every little thing counts, some of them you notice them some you dont even feel it, but talking on papers an Aero Handle bar And Aero Stem,Aero Seatpost, aero wheelset and Aero bike, everything helps.. 6 watts or 32 watts, dosent matter, but 6 here 32 there and on and on everything helps... my opinion
with out talking about frame stiffness...
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I dont think is marketing, I believe every little thing counts, some of them you notice them some you dont even feel it, but talking on papers an Aero Handle bar And Aero Stem,Aero Seatpost and Aero bike, everything helps.. 6 watts or 32 watts, dosent matter, but 6 here 32 there and on and on everything helps... my opinion
Agreed...but folks chasing this dragon are spending good money, it isn't cheap, therefore if you're already in that league chasing these little bits of performance gain at significant cost it simply makes no sense to spend buku dollars on a high cost production aero frame not tailored for you, and as @Lazyass said, get a suit & helmet- that's real aero gain independent of bike....hence the marketing gobbledygook...unless there's CHEAP aero/crab0n frames out there I'm not aware of...

That BH G7 Disc for instance MSRP is $6000-$9000...That's custom territory, if you're serious about "aero" high cost production frames make no sense unless you're absolutely sure they'll fit you perfectly.

@Darth Steele is a beast...he doesn't need aero. lmao

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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs
Agreed...but folks chasing this dragon are spending good money, it isn't cheap, therefore if you're already in that league chasing these little bits of performance gain at significant cost it simply makes no sense to spend buku dollars on a high cost production aero frame not tailored for you, and as @Lazyass said, get a suit & helmet- that's real aero gain independent of bike....hence the marketing gobbledygook...unless there's CHEAP aero/crab0n frames out there I'm not aware of...

That BH G7 Disc for instance MSRP is $6000-$9000...That's custom territory, if you're serious about "aero" high cost production frames make no sense unless you're absolutely sure they'll fit you perfectly.


@Darth Steele is a beast...he doesn't need aero. lmao
Dont get me wrong, I get you point, I'm not going to wear a skin suit.... but everybody that is really into the sport/hobby knows benefits of the aero stuff the problem is the price...
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Al these bikes kinda look alike. Why is that?
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Al these bikes kinda look alike. Why is that?
All commercial passenger aircraft look similar. All hatchbacks look very similar. All SUV's look very similar.
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Originally Posted by em_quick

this is my current bike
2013 Cannondale Evo Supersix-Sram Red on Enve SES 6.7
Sweet bike. I would personally not "upgrade" that bike to an aero bike unless you just like the way they look. The Canyon Aeroroad does look nice though.
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