When does Hardcore become Stupid?
11-21-08, 02:56 PM
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i think a rider crosses the line from hardcore -> stupid when they head out on ice with regular tires. until then you're plain hardcore.
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Hardcore = stupid when you go past the abilities of your gear, knowledge, and care. If you can change a flat in -10 degree weather with gloves on then you really do not have a problem. If you keep your pump in your jacket to keep it warm again no problem there. You can work around anything.
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Bronchitis. Been there. Done that.
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Why do you think we're comparing apples with oranges?
Cycling is exercise.
Cross-country skiing is exercise.
When you cycle in the cold you have to dress a certain way.
When you cross-country ski in the cold ... you dress in a very similar way to the way you dress when you cycle in the cold.
Cycling is exercise.
Cross-country skiing is exercise.
When you cycle in the cold you have to dress a certain way.
When you cross-country ski in the cold ... you dress in a very similar way to the way you dress when you cycle in the cold.
Skiing's a winter sport. You ski on two boards that are made to slide across snow. When you fall down, you tend to hit snow. It doesn't usually hurt much. I know. I fall a lot.
Cycling's primarily a fair-weather sport (not to you, I know, but to most of the rest of the world). You balance on two skinny tires that are made to roll along the ground. When you fall down, it tends to hurt quite a bit. I have some experience with this, too.
So yes, you get exercise both when you ski and when you cycle. That aside, I'd have to say there are a lot more dissimilarities than similarities when you compare the two sports. Apples/oranges.
11-21-08, 03:02 PM
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>>When does Hardcore become Stupid?<<
Hardcore is always Stupid you insufferable, deluded Road Nazi friggin SCUM.
Hardcore is always Stupid you insufferable, deluded Road Nazi friggin SCUM.
11-21-08, 03:03 PM
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It's almost impossible to change a flat outside when it gets too cold. When the temperatures drop to -10C and lower, I make a point of riding within walking distance of shelter.
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Skiing's a winter sport. You ski on two boards that are made to slide across snow. When you fall down, you tend to hit snow. It doesn't usually hurt much. I know. I fall a lot.
Cycling's primarily a fair-weather sport (not to you, I know, but to most of the rest of the world). You balance on two skinny tires that are made to roll along the ground. When you fall down, it tends to hurt quite a bit. I have some experience with this, too.
Cycling's primarily a fair-weather sport (not to you, I know, but to most of the rest of the world). You balance on two skinny tires that are made to roll along the ground. When you fall down, it tends to hurt quite a bit. I have some experience with this, too.
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Bronchial Asthma from childhood, pneumonia once, still out riding in the cold. Though I do cough a fair bit when the season turns to cold for a few days. Acclimatizing oneself is the key. Sucking arctic air at speed can be dangerous to the tissues. Cover the airhole, or deflect the intake with your lips, don't create a straight air flow.
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11-21-08, 03:07 PM
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can you take a big, hard, fast breath in without coughing?
11-21-08, 03:13 PM
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Hardcore becomes stupid when it becomes dangerous.
Hardcore becomes stupid when anything going wrong becomes a safety problem instead of an inconvenience. For example, fixing a flat if hands are too cold, pump is froze up, glue won't stick or whatever. Of if "walk of shame" back to the house with mechanical problem becomes death march in the wilderness.
Hardcore becomes stupid when minor errors in judgment become safety issues. You estimate how long it will take, what you need to wear, whether you'll need lights, etc. If you estimate wrong, do you get a chill? Or do you die?
Hardcore has clearly become completely stupid when you lose any fingers or toes to frostbite.
In each case, it's not just the weather that makes it hardcore or stupid, it's the degree of preparation and knowledge used in dealing with the weather.
Hardcore becomes stupid when anything going wrong becomes a safety problem instead of an inconvenience. For example, fixing a flat if hands are too cold, pump is froze up, glue won't stick or whatever. Of if "walk of shame" back to the house with mechanical problem becomes death march in the wilderness.
Hardcore becomes stupid when minor errors in judgment become safety issues. You estimate how long it will take, what you need to wear, whether you'll need lights, etc. If you estimate wrong, do you get a chill? Or do you die?
Hardcore has clearly become completely stupid when you lose any fingers or toes to frostbite.
In each case, it's not just the weather that makes it hardcore or stupid, it's the degree of preparation and knowledge used in dealing with the weather.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MARGIN FOR ERROR.
We dress for riding, not for siting around fixing mechanicals or for walking.
Hardcore becomes stupid when you leave yourself NO allowance for the unexpected, whether the unexpected happens or not. Just because you did something and nothing bad happened doesn't mean it wasn't stupid. Stupid is about what COULD have happened.
11-21-08, 03:15 PM
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11-21-08, 03:17 PM
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You can get exercise in a lot of different ways. Swimming is exercise. Volleyball is exercise. You can dress in similar ways for each activity, but they're pretty different sports.
Skiing's a winter sport. You ski on two boards that are made to slide across snow. When you fall down, you tend to hit snow. It doesn't usually hurt much. I know. I fall a lot.
Cycling's primarily a fair-weather sport (not to you, I know, but to most of the rest of the world). You balance on two skinny tires that are made to roll along the ground. When you fall down, it tends to hurt quite a bit. I have some experience with this, too.
So yes, you get exercise both when you ski and when you cycle. That aside, I'd have to say there are a lot more dissimilarities than similarities when you compare the two sports. Apples/oranges.
Skiing's a winter sport. You ski on two boards that are made to slide across snow. When you fall down, you tend to hit snow. It doesn't usually hurt much. I know. I fall a lot.
Cycling's primarily a fair-weather sport (not to you, I know, but to most of the rest of the world). You balance on two skinny tires that are made to roll along the ground. When you fall down, it tends to hurt quite a bit. I have some experience with this, too.
So yes, you get exercise both when you ski and when you cycle. That aside, I'd have to say there are a lot more dissimilarities than similarities when you compare the two sports. Apples/oranges.
by the way, even though i ride a bike all the time, i never consider myself being involved in the sport of cycling.
11-21-08, 03:24 PM
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Now THAT sounds fun!!! Not the shoulder separation, which my buddy did snowboarding Whistler while chasing a couple pros over a cliff he wasn't expecting.
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You can get exercise in a lot of different ways. Swimming is exercise. Volleyball is exercise. You can dress in similar ways for each activity, but they're pretty different sports.
Skiing's a winter sport. You ski on two boards that are made to slide across snow. When you fall down, you tend to hit snow. It doesn't usually hurt much. I know. I fall a lot.
Cycling's primarily a fair-weather sport (not to you, I know, but to most of the rest of the world). You balance on two skinny tires that are made to roll along the ground. When you fall down, it tends to hurt quite a bit. I have some experience with this, too.
So yes, you get exercise both when you ski and when you cycle. That aside, I'd have to say there are a lot more dissimilarities than similarities when you compare the two sports. Apples/oranges.
Skiing's a winter sport. You ski on two boards that are made to slide across snow. When you fall down, you tend to hit snow. It doesn't usually hurt much. I know. I fall a lot.
Cycling's primarily a fair-weather sport (not to you, I know, but to most of the rest of the world). You balance on two skinny tires that are made to roll along the ground. When you fall down, it tends to hurt quite a bit. I have some experience with this, too.
So yes, you get exercise both when you ski and when you cycle. That aside, I'd have to say there are a lot more dissimilarities than similarities when you compare the two sports. Apples/oranges.
11-21-08, 03:38 PM
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Skiis/snowboards are supposed to touch the snow? Ah hell, I've been doing wrong all these years? The 80's hammered home the importance of BIG AIRS in sport for me.
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For example, going out in the extreme cold isn't stupid, but doing it without the proper layers is stupid. Same for going out in the heat without any water, doing a fast descent on damaged tires, running red lights in busy intersections, etc.
A cold would be in the gray area. I guess it depends on if the cold is bad enough to make you stay at home and rest instead of working, riding, etc. Of course, that right there puts a big gray area on what is stupid and what is not, since you never really know the extend of the consequences. Maybe you won't get a cold at all. Maybe you won't need an IV from dehydration. Maybe your damaged tires will survive the plunge.
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Why do you think we're comparing apples with oranges?
Cycling is exercise.
Cross-country skiing is exercise.
When you cycle in the cold you have to dress a certain way.
When you cross-country ski in the cold ... you dress in a very similar way to the way you dress when you cycle in the cold.
Cycling is exercise.
Cross-country skiing is exercise.
When you cycle in the cold you have to dress a certain way.
When you cross-country ski in the cold ... you dress in a very similar way to the way you dress when you cycle in the cold.
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11-21-08, 03:42 PM
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You dont know what you are talking about, they are similar in how you dress, the exercise you get, the level of danger, potential for injury....Or at least you haven't done both well enough or long enough to keep from falling all the time. If you had done both you would know they are incredibly similar experiences. You are just tied to your notions and experience which has led you to a conclusion that is similar to you falling all the time.
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At least I know the Canadian Sheild isn't going to shake itself to bits, or burst into flames every summer. Good and not-so-good at everywhere one might want to live. I 
seasons. Utah's got killer skiin' wooot!
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Variety is the spice of life. I like having to get up in the morning and be faced with howling winds and very cold temperatures, not to mention denser air which gives your muscles more oxygen so you can maintain some kind of decent speed. I also enjoy the challenge of identifying black ice before I end up slipping on it, oh and the ever so pleasant gray slush after snow storms and ice sheets that they become afterwards. Beautiful, sunshiny and moderate climate huh? Got a spare room I can stay in for while?
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