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SIDE-BY-SIDE DUEL WITH "THE KNAVE"; OMG! IT GETS WORSE!!!!

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Old 10-14-05 | 11:09 AM
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SIDE-BY-SIDE DUEL WITH "THE KNAVE"; OMG! IT GETS WORSE!!!!

I can't believe what happened today.
This story just keeps getting more bizarre.

Friday ride report; "Hunting The Knave"

It's sunny. Slight breeze. 64 and going up. I select the new Girodana knicker bibs my wife gave me for my birthday to ride in. It's warm enough for the matching Girodana arm warmers under one of my favorite old jerseys given to me a few years ago by a local Masterlock racing team. I select everything to look as good as I can, even cleaning the chain of my Klein and shining it up prior to the ride, all just to irritate him because I figure it does.

Off I go, looking for him everywhere. Nothing. He HAS to be out here on a morning like this I tell myself. Then suddenly, someone is coming at me on the MUP portion of the ride. I'm only eight miles into my 26-mile route, and yes, it is him. He rides by in his usual ugly garb, not even a glance up. I can't belive what I am wabout to do, but I do it anyway. Eight miles in I stop, turn around, and go give chase in search of a picture at the very least for you.

It was no problem getting up behind him. In fact, I hung back on purpose. I didn't want to catch him on the MUP. I would pick MY spot to make my move, and before I did so, I would snap a photo of him from behind.

It was just riding along minding his own business, without a clue I was back there. I let him go twice through traffic while I waited, just hanging back. At one point I had to give up a lot of ground because a mom and her young girl were on the path, the girl on her little two-wheeler about as unsteady as Ted Kennedy at a Friday night lobby party. I got around them and gave chase. There he was, coming out of the MUP. Below is the picture of the elusive Knave as I approached from behind, knowing the time had come to make this interesting.



I tucked the camera away and rode right past him, not a word or glance exchanged. Now keep in mind that when he was just riding alone, he was doing about 17. I passed him doing 19.6 (I made sure to mark the speeds) Now there is a lot of mind game going on with me. I sit up. I coast a little. I do everything to signal to him that I am merely toying with him.

I could have hammered it right then and there because I certainly felt great today and conditions were perfect. But I toyed with him. Now I could hear his bike behind me. Now I picked it up and just rode a nice steady 19-20. Funny thing....all of the sudden HE'S riding the same speed, sucked right onto my wheel without saying a word. I KNEW that was going to happen.

More mind games now...
As we approach an intersection I keep going and actually say out loud, "CLEAR" so that HE knew that I knew he was back there.

Next intersection...I give him the hand signal to go on through with me.

We ride like this for about three miles. He's right on my tail. We turn to go up a little hill toward a golf course clubhouse, where I have seen him stop before. I wondered what he had in mind this time.

I got out of the saddle to do the little climb without making any sort of big effort when out of the blue here he somes squeaking away pedaling like a mad man to the left of me.

NOW W'RE SIDE BY SIDE GOING UPHILL ON A NARROW PATH!!!!!!!

I couldn't believe what was happening.
Crap. Toward the top I let him go because the path was narrow and has wet leaves on it and I am at the edge of the path where it meets grass.

The little SOB takes the point huffing and puffing and actually turns to flash me "The Look" at the top!
Are you freakin' kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then he peels off to the right to stop.

It just flowed out of my mouth then....

"Hey! Don't quit now. It's just gettin' fun," I yelled.

He gave me a smirk that looked as if it was from Satan himself.

Dammmmmit the hell anyway. I can't believe this happened, yet I can. Now do you see why I call him The Knave? None of this is my imagination. He's a jerk.

Thing is, looking back, I could have put him away early on instead of toy with him. But part of me fears that I might give it my all only to have The Knave still be able to come back on me. And another part says if I had done that (dopped him) the story would be over. Instead, it's all the more maddening for me now.

On the way home by myself I pulled my arm warmers down just because I wanted to look cool like the pro riders for my last few miles home. At least I look good.

What's next?
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Old 10-14-05 | 11:13 AM
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I tucked the camera away and rode right past him, not a word or glance exchanged. Now keep in mind that when he was just riding alone, he was doing about 17. I passed him doing 19.6 (I made sure to mark the speeds) Now there is a lot of mind game going on with me. I sit up. I coast a little. I do everything to signal to him that I am merely toying with him.

I could have hammered it right then and there because I certainly felt great today and conditions were perfect. But I toyed with him. Now I could hear his bike behind me. Now I picked it up and just rode a nice steady 19-20. Funny thing....all of the sudden HE'S riding the same speed, sucked right onto my wheel without saying a word. I KNEW that was going to happen.

More mind games now...
As we approach an intersection I keep going and actually say out loud, "CLEAR" so that HE knew that I knew he was back there.

Next intersection...I give him the hand signal to go on through with me.

We ride like this for about three miles. He's right on my tail. We turn to go up a little hill toward a golf course clubhouse, where I have seen him stop before. I wondered what he had in mind this time.

I got out of the saddle to do the little climb without making any sort of big effort when out of the blue here he somes squeaking away pedaling like a mad man to the left of me.

NOW W'RE SIDE BY SIDE GOING UPHILL ON A NARROW PATH!!!!!!!

I couldn't believe what was happening.
Crap. Toward the top I let him go because the path was narrow and has wet leaves on it and I am at the edge of the path where it meets grass.

The little SOB takes the point huffing and puffing and actually turns to flash me "The Look" at the top!
Are you freakin' kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then he peels off to the right to stop.

It just flowed out of my mouth then....

"Hey! Don't quit now. It's just gettin' fun," I yelled.

He gave me a smirk that looked as if it was from Satan himself.

Dammmmmit the hell anyway. I can't believe this happened, yet I can. Now do you see why I call him The Knave? None of this is my imagination. He's a jerk.

Thing is, looking back, I could have put him away early on instead of toy with him. But part of me fears that I might give it my all only to have The Knave still be able to come back on me. And another part says if I had done that (dopped him) the story would be over. Instead, it's all the more maddening for me now.

On the way home by myself I pulled my arm warmers down just because I wanted to look cool like the pro riders for my last few miles home. At least I look good.

What's next?

I will approach this in the same way my Dad would have - cuff you up side the head and say 'pay attention, quit screwing around posing, and just drop the sucker already!'
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Old 10-14-05 | 11:15 AM
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Perhaps he's reading your posts and baiting you on purpose.
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Old 10-14-05 | 11:15 AM
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next time you're side-by-side, punch him! (okay, maybe not)
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Old 10-14-05 | 11:16 AM
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I would have rode right up beside him, snapped a picture of his face and said "I'm writing a short story about my experiences with you..."


So are you saying he actually beat you to the top? Quit toying with this guy and put the hurts to him or really drop him already..... I would start with each time you pass him or he decides to turn off when you're ahead, proclaim a loud "Ha I win!.."

Either way, enough is enough.. Who is the better man?

So far it would seem Knave +10 / Hip 0
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Old 10-14-05 | 11:20 AM
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go in for the kill. strike the jugular. the time is now. no gifts, hip... i have my own "knave" that i am dealing with currently...

when the time comes, i will seriously put the hurt on this mofo...

i suggest you do the same.


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Old 10-14-05 | 11:22 AM
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Ok, this time I actually laughed outloud. hilarious!
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Old 10-14-05 | 11:26 AM
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Ok, this time I actually laughed outloud. hilarious!
I KNOW! It just keeps getting more crazy.
Now I'm pissed. I think I should have just slapped it into the big chain ring and busted my arse to drop the little knave once and for all.

If he comes back on me after I give him my best stuff, then so be it...my Campy hat is off to him. But no more games. That biatch is going down I tell ya.

Tomorrow morning....huntin' season continues.
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Old 10-14-05 | 11:27 AM
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The Knave wins again.

If you think about it, what a genius move by the Knave. He spends his energy to drop you at the last moment, then pulls off so he gets the last laugh. This guy is an evil genius.
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Old 10-14-05 | 11:28 AM
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The Knave wins again.

If you think about it, what a genius move by the Knave. He spends his energy to drop you at the last moment, then pulls off so he gets the last laugh. This guy is an evil genius.
"Evil genius"
...great way to put it Dx....
Sooooo....next time I see him, chase him down and give it all I have then?
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...Why didn't I give it 100 percent going up the hill when we were side by side though? It was clear the guy was being a jerk and planned to suck my wheel until the last minute, then pass me, flash me the look and quit....I was being too polite was the problem...I just sort of rode alongside him amazed that he was doing such a thing. Too nice on my part. Maybe right then I should have just tried not to let him go in front at all....
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"Evil genius"
...great way to put it Dx....
Sooooo....next time I see him, chase him down and give it all I have then?
Yeah, man. You have to put this to rest. Drop him and drop him hard. No more playing around. You have to let him know who's boss.

And when you do, you have to give him the look.
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you look at him long enough for him to realize it, make eye contact, and say, "well, I'm bored. See ya" and drop him like a watermelon seed in a spitting contest.
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You gotta pull out that camera and snap a photo of from the front! Blind him with the flash, give an evil laugh, and shout out, "TAKE THAT, FOOL KNAVE!"

Or just do the old pump in the front spokes trick.... that'll learn him!
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the fact that he quit when he did bespeaks his evil, cowardly nature.


you must crush this lowly worm of a man.



NO GIFTS, HIP!!!
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Old 10-14-05 | 11:34 AM
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He is riding a mtn bike? To be fair, I'd take out your mtb(if you have one) and beat him on fair terms. He can always say copout by saying you are on a real road bike.
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Originally Posted by Hipcycler
I got out of the saddle to do the little climb without making any sort of big effort when out of the blue here he somes squeaking away pedaling like a mad man to the left of me.

NOW W'RE SIDE BY SIDE GOING UPHILL ON A NARROW PATH!!!!!!!

I couldn't believe what was happening.
Crap. Toward the top I let him go because the path was narrow and has wet leaves on it and I am at the edge of the path where it meets grass.

The little SOB takes the point huffing and puffing and actually turns to flash me "The Look" at the top!
Are you freakin' kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then he peels off to the right to stop.
If he's on the left, you should have beaten him to the top by a wheel. He played chicken with you. Next time run him into the bushes, but don't give up the lead. Give HIM the look and you pull off and stop.

Time to reverse the tables.
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So, I was riding along on Friday getting lost in my ride only doing about 17 mph when this dude with matching arm warmers starts taking pictures of my butt! WTF? I slowed so he can pass me. Wierdo! Then he just stays just ahead of me so I could get a good look at his butt! WTF? We approach an intersection and then he shouts out QUEER! Yeah right, like he really has to tell me... Then this guy starts making obscene hand jestures to me! Three miles later, we get on this climb and then he stands up to show me his full monty (eww!) so I hammer up the hill to pass him like a mad man. I glance back and there he is checking me out again! OK! Enuff! I stop to let him by. He shouts "Hey! Don't quit now. It's just gettin' fun," What? I don't think getting hit on by a guy while riding my bike is much fun....

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In fairness this knave could have been playing to his strengths (and possibly your weaknesses). I know that I can easily beat my buddies and 10 min long, less that 6% hills but on long climbs they put me to shame.

Oh well it's all about the fun of dropping and being dropped eh?
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I'm with Chip on this one, great stories but drop him and be done with it. Don't be afraid to give it your all, either way you'll know where you stand. Not only that but you've raced...this is just more of the same, win or lose it will still be fun and once the game is on you'll be surprised at how hard you'll be able to push yourself. When it's all said and done it will have been fun and the stories from that ride alone will be worth the read.
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Drop him! Drop him! DROP HIM!. And give him "The Look."

He's using this for bragging rights. He probably goes home and tells his wife. He calls his friends and tells them. He's got stories for his grandkids and everything. Don't let it end this way.
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So, I was riding along on Friday getting lost in my ride only doing about 17 mph when this dude with matching arm warmers starts taking pictures of my butt! WTF? I slowed so he can pass me. Wierdo! Then he just stays just ahead of me so I could get a good look at his butt! WTF? Three miles later, we get on this climb and then he stands up to show me his full monty (eww!) so I hammer up the hill to pass him like a mad man. I glance back and there he is checking me out again! OK! Enuff! I stop to let him by. He shouts "Hey! Don't quit now. It's just gettin' fun," What? I don't think getting hit on by a guy while riding my bike is much fun....

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Hahahaha!! Hip you kill me.

I think you are enjoying the mental anguish the "Knave" is causing you. Just open up the can and whoop his a$$!!!

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Originally Posted by Hipcycler
I can't believe what happened today.
This story just keeps getting more bizarre.

Friday ride report; "Hunting The Knave"

It's sunny. Slight breeze. 64 and going up. I select the new Girodana knicker bibs my wife gave me for my birthday to ride in. It's warm enough for the matching Girodana arm warmers under one of my favorite old jerseys given to me a few years ago by a local Masterlock racing team. I select everything to look as good as I can, even cleaning the chain of my Klein and shining it up prior to the ride, all just to irritate him because I figure it does.

Off I go, looking for him everywhere. Nothing. He HAS to be out here on a morning like this I tell myself. Then suddenly, someone is coming at me on the MUP portion of the ride. I'm only eight miles into my 26-mile route, and yes, it is him. He rides by in his usual ugly garb, not even a glance up. I can't belive what I am wabout to do, but I do it anyway. Eight miles in I stop, turn around, and go give chase in search of a picture at the very least for you.

It was no problem getting up behind him. In fact, I hung back on purpose. I didn't want to catch him on the MUP. I would pick MY spot to make my move, and before I did so, I would snap a photo of him from behind.

It was just riding along minding his own business, without a clue I was back there. I let him go twice through traffic while I waited, just hanging back. At one point I had to give up a lot of ground because a mom and her young girl were on the path, the girl on her little two-wheeler about as unsteady as Ted Kennedy at a Friday night lobby party. I got around them and gave chase. There he was, coming out of the MUP. Below is the picture of the elusive Knave as I approached from behind, knowing the time had come to make this interesting.



I tucked the camera away and rode right past him, not a word or glance exchanged. Now keep in mind that when he was just riding alone, he was doing about 17. I passed him doing 19.6 (I made sure to mark the speeds) Now there is a lot of mind game going on with me. I sit up. I coast a little. I do everything to signal to him that I am merely toying with him.

I could have hammered it right then and there because I certainly felt great today and conditions were perfect. But I toyed with him. Now I could hear his bike behind me. Now I picked it up and just rode a nice steady 19-20. Funny thing....all of the sudden HE'S riding the same speed, sucked right onto my wheel without saying a word. I KNEW that was going to happen.

More mind games now...
As we approach an intersection I keep going and actually say out loud, "CLEAR" so that HE knew that I knew he was back there.

Next intersection...I give him the hand signal to go on through with me.

We ride like this for about three miles. He's right on my tail. We turn to go up a little hill toward a golf course clubhouse, where I have seen him stop before. I wondered what he had in mind this time.

I got out of the saddle to do the little climb without making any sort of big effort when out of the blue here he somes squeaking away pedaling like a mad man to the left of me.

NOW W'RE SIDE BY SIDE GOING UPHILL ON A NARROW PATH!!!!!!!

I couldn't believe what was happening.
Crap. Toward the top I let him go because the path was narrow and has wet leaves on it and I am at the edge of the path where it meets grass.

The little SOB takes the point huffing and puffing and actually turns to flash me "The Look" at the top!
Are you freakin' kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then he peels off to the right to stop.

It just flowed out of my mouth then....

"Hey! Don't quit now. It's just gettin' fun," I yelled.

He gave me a smirk that looked as if it was from Satan himself.

Dammmmmit the hell anyway. I can't believe this happened, yet I can. Now do you see why I call him The Knave? None of this is my imagination. He's a jerk.

Thing is, looking back, I could have put him away early on instead of toy with him. But part of me fears that I might give it my all only to have The Knave still be able to come back on me. And another part says if I had done that (dopped him) the story would be over. Instead, it's all the more maddening for me now.

On the way home by myself I pulled my arm warmers down just because I wanted to look cool like the pro riders for my last few miles home. At least I look good.

What's next?

So he pedals like mad to pass you, only to stop and rest once hes done it?

I had a guy do a similar thing the other day on the Mt. Vernon trail near Washington, DC. Right as I was making my way up the final hill to the Mt. Vernon house, some guy passes me on the left (narrow path too) without saying a word on a road bike in his cargo shorts. Keeps pedaling like mad as I was behind him...then about half way up the hill he pulls over and stops while staring at me. I go to the top circle and come back down just as he begins making his way up again.

Just as in your situation, I think its safe to say the joke is on him. Why put all that effort in passing when you cant hang afterward? Let him have it next time.

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