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Old 01-18-09 | 08:12 PM
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okay, well new to me. I saw this on craigslist, was attracted to it's strangeness. I called about it and found out it had a decent groupset (shimano 600), was made of decent material (tange 2 tubing), and was in ridable condition.

so i took the 40 minute drive out to see it. the seller was a bit eclectic with bikes. his house didn't really have any furniture, just bikes. his kitchen was full of bike parts, his garage was full of random wheels, frames, and pedals. Nice guy, a bit odd, but nice. I was surprised when he brought the bike out and how clean it was, compared to the more or less disarray of everything else.

I didn't know what to expect since there seems to be very little about these bikes. all i heard was that you'll probably kill your neck from the angle and that they're twitchy. I don't know about the neck part, but this thing is twitchier than a squirrel on cocaine. once you get it straight though, it absolutely flies and accelerates like mad. rode it a couple blocks and I was hooked on it.

anyways, he swapped out the clipless pedals that were on there since i don't have any road clipless shoes for some random clipped ones we found in his pile of pedals. after all was said and done it came to about 200 bucks, not too bad considering this frame is light, the components are equivalent to ultegra, and I found out it had NJS stamping on the stem. and it shouldn't be hard to sell in davis (not that i'm looking to sell anytime soon)

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Old 01-18-09 | 08:16 PM
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Get a fork with less rake. That's going to make it less twitchy.

That bike is awesome though!
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Old 01-18-09 | 08:28 PM
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brakes are for wussies.

I how i search pursuit bikes and all kinds of hipster bikes show up.

cool bike.
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Old 01-18-09 | 11:20 PM
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no way a fixed cog is touching this bike, too much fun as it is. i actually kinda like the twitchiness, it just sucks looking over the shoulder for cars before moving lanes though, i've almost dumped myself twice doing this lol.


when it comes time to sell it though, the craigslist will read something like "oh shi- horizontal dropouts and NJS STEM!!!!! SUPAR COOL MESSENGAR TARCK STATUS
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Old 01-18-09 | 11:26 PM
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okay, well new to me. I saw this on craigslist, was attracted to it's strangeness. I called about it and found out it had a decent groupset (shimano 600), was made of decent material (tange 2 tubing), and was in ridable condition.

so i took the 40 minute drive out to see it. the seller was a bit eclectic with bikes. his house didn't really have any furniture, just bikes. his kitchen was full of bike parts, his garage was full of random wheels, frames, and pedals. Nice guy, a bit odd, but nice. I was surprised when he brought the bike out and how clean it was, compared to the more or less disarray of everything else.

I didn't know what to expect since there seems to be very little about these bikes. all i heard was that you'll probably kill your neck from the angle and that they're twitchy. I don't know about the neck part, but this thing is twitchier than a squirrel on cocaine. once you get it straight though, it absolutely flies and accelerates like mad. rode it a couple blocks and I was hooked on it.

anyways, he swapped out the clipless pedals that were on there since i don't have any road clipless shoes for some random clipped ones we found in his pile of pedals. after all was said and done it came to about 200 bucks, not too bad considering this frame is light, the components are equivalent to ultegra, and I found out it had NJS stamping on the stem. and it shouldn't be hard to sell in davis (not that i'm looking to sell anytime soon)
Hello,

I've got one of these in my garage. I raced on it starting in the mid 1980s until 2000. Actually there was about a 10 year gap where I didn't do any TTs in those 15 years.

I think that you might be doing something wrong or that the seller psyched you out because the bike is far from twitchy. Yes, the position is pretty extreme but I raced three 40 Km TTs on it and didn't suffer any permanent damage.

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Get a fork with less rake. That's going to make it less twitchy.

That bike is awesome though!
You aren't going to be able to find a better fork for the bike unless you get someone to build a custom fork. Like I said, though, the bike rides fine with the factory fork.
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Old 01-19-09 | 12:32 AM
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assuming you've been riding the bike and you haven't said anything about them, I'm guessing the whole biopace thing is a placebo.

how has the dork disc survived all those years?

looks like a fun bike, enjoy it.
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Old 01-19-09 | 12:37 AM
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assuming you've been riding the bike and you haven't said anything about them, I'm guessing the whole biopace thing is a placebo.

how has the dork disc survived all those years?

looks like a fun bike, enjoy it.
It's similar to the rotor rings that people rave about.
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Old 01-19-09 | 12:42 AM
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It's similar to the rotor rings that people rave about.
yeah, like i said, placebo
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Old 01-19-09 | 03:37 AM
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Hello,

I've got one of these in my garage. I raced on it starting in the mid 1980s until 2000. Actually there was about a 10 year gap where I didn't do any TTs in those 15 years.

I think that you might be doing something wrong or that the seller psyched you out because the bike is far from twitchy. Yes, the position is pretty extreme but I raced three 40 Km TTs on it and didn't suffer any permanent damage.



You aren't going to be able to find a better fork for the bike unless you get someone to build a custom fork. Like I said, though, the bike rides fine with the factory fork.

once i get going it's nice and stable (as long as you're looking straight. turning around is semi disastrous.)

as far as the biopace, it's funny. i was riding it by the sellers house and thought it felt a bit different, but mostly because i was on a bike in a completely different league (vs my raleigh with suicide levers and 40 lbs of hefty steel). unless i could swap out a regular chainring, i don't think it really makes a noticeable difference.



as i've been messing around on it, it's actually pretty comfortable, it's pretty similar to riding in the drops on a regular road frame, not that much more rake (well, i don't have it set super extreme yet either.

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Old 01-19-09 | 09:58 AM
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Cool bike. If you are not going to race it might be worth tossing a set of riser bars on there and making it a commuter.

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Old 01-19-09 | 10:29 AM
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It's already got risers. The bars go sideways, then forward, then rise.

Seriously, have fun on it, but don't throw too much money at it. I found this bike so flexy as to be almost hilarious. The radially spoked front wheel actually made me cry. The bike, sans components, was left by the garbage cans, a dozen years ago.
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Old 01-19-09 | 07:00 PM
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lol, i noticed the stem was way to high (a good inch or so past the max height mark on the stem) so i lowered that...

still trying to figure out if these are just some odd handlebars or flop and chops. the ends look like half drops, but the part by the stem is more curved than i'm used to seeing on drops...

needs a new saddle at some point in time, when i get around to it




oh, and i think i got owned, i flipped it over and i noticed someone hacked the serial number or whatever off the bottom bracket shell. it looks like someone ground it off or used a small chisel. it doesn't seem structurally unsound, and it's still really light so i don't think it's counterfeit or anything stupid like that. it doesn't really matter to me since i didn't put a lot into it and i'm just gonna keep it around for fun, but it looks like it'll make reselling more difficult, kind of an odd thing to happen...
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oh, and i think i got owned, i flipped it over and i noticed someone hacked the serial number or whatever off the bottom bracket shell. it looks like someone ground it off or used a small chisel. it doesn't seem structurally unsound, and it's still really light so i don't think it's counterfeit or anything stupid like that.
Was the bike warm to the touch? Maybe even hot?

(Edit - The "rolling eyes" icon was in reference to my dumb joke, not to whether or not you bought a stolen bike.)
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Old 01-26-09 | 03:22 AM
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I felt the warmth, i thought it was from the fact it was dripping in 80's hawtness. I didn't suspect the thievery

well, hit the spot with clear nail polish and just gonna pretend like i never saw any of this serial number business lol
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