biased against steel?
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I hate steel if it's part of an SUV.
Does that count?
Does that count?
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I'm not biased against steel but as a newbie I definately notice that (and maybe Surly portrays this the most) if you are not into steel you are not "in the know."
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Each have their benefits. Steel is regarded as the most comfortable, and dead easy to repair (and lugs are just cool); aluminum is lighter than steel, won't rust, but will break eventually (painfull); titanium is seemingly the best combination of the two, but more expensive than both put together. I have no real alligiance to any of them, but a lean towards steel on a cost versus longevity basis.
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When I buy, I buy steel... but if anyone wants to give me Alumnium or Titanium - PM me for my address.
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Originally Posted by digdug
I know there are a lot of people, fixed gear riders in particular, who prefer steel to aluminum or titanium...and not just for the price.
Does anyone on here actively NOT like steel?
Does anyone on here actively NOT like steel?
fixedgearhead
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I have to admit my favourite steel frame was actually welded and not lugged, but then I've never had a nice lugged frame so I guess that maybe where the difference comes. Oh and my nice aluminium frame gives as much comfort but is considerably stiffer than my somewhat noodly bad steel frame. So it all depends, I certainly love the look of lugged, but I've yet to be able to afford a decent steel frame where I can tell the benefits.
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I just know that I prefer metal to carbon frames. Just my preference. These days, though, steel roadie frames are getting to be almost as light as ti or aluminum without sacrificing stiffness where you want it. My SS, MTB and roadie are all steel. The fixie is alu, just because it's my old road bike and still wanted me to ride it. It's really gotten to where the differences beween the weight of materials is almost negligable at the high end.
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Steel is the least damaging to the environment to produce.
Steel is infinately recyclable (if it doens't rust into oblivion)
Steel is repairable.
I really like steel as a metal, in buildings and cars and bikes.
We should all use more steel.
Steel is good.
Steel is infinately recyclable (if it doens't rust into oblivion)
Steel is repairable.
I really like steel as a metal, in buildings and cars and bikes.
We should all use more steel.
Steel is good.
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Long term exposure to aluminum, even by touching your frame etc, will drastically reduce the occurrence of coition.
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Asking if anyone is against steel on a fixie/ss board is like asking if anyone dislikes carbon on the roadie board.
Part of the ethos of riding fixed or singlespeed is basic, fundamnetal, retrospective etc. That usually means steel as it's the oldest and most refined building material, and fits the ideaology. Titanium is tollerated because, well, it just rocks and kind of looks like steel that someone forgot to paint, but Aluminium frankly reminds us of the slab of beer we drank last night.
Initially satisfying, but eventually crumpled up in our recycling bin and us feeling like sh1t.
Part of the ethos of riding fixed or singlespeed is basic, fundamnetal, retrospective etc. That usually means steel as it's the oldest and most refined building material, and fits the ideaology. Titanium is tollerated because, well, it just rocks and kind of looks like steel that someone forgot to paint, but Aluminium frankly reminds us of the slab of beer we drank last night.
Initially satisfying, but eventually crumpled up in our recycling bin and us feeling like sh1t.
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Originally Posted by Thylacine
Asking if anyone is against steel on a fixie/ss board is like asking if anyone dislikes carbon on the roadie board.
Part of the ethos of riding fixed or singlespeed is basic, fundamnetal, retrospective etc. That usually means steel as it's the oldest and most refined building material, and fits the ideaology. Titanium is tollerated because, well, it just rocks and kind of looks like steel that someone forgot to paint, but Aluminium frankly reminds us of the slab of beer we drank last night.
Initially satisfying, but eventually crumpled up in our recycling bin and us feeling like sh1t.
Part of the ethos of riding fixed or singlespeed is basic, fundamnetal, retrospective etc. That usually means steel as it's the oldest and most refined building material, and fits the ideaology. Titanium is tollerated because, well, it just rocks and kind of looks like steel that someone forgot to paint, but Aluminium frankly reminds us of the slab of beer we drank last night.
Initially satisfying, but eventually crumpled up in our recycling bin and us feeling like sh1t.
Last edited by SD Fixed; 04-30-04 at 05:45 PM. Reason: so that it looks like a joke, cause I meant it that way
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your answer seems to be........................................................................ NO!
somebody posted a querry asking if his Alu frame was toast because it fell over onto a granite boulder.
Ugly cuts right into the metal, and this is not a metal that can stand X-stress if compromised.
Ugggh..poor guy. Alu I think is fine in FS bikes. Traditional frame builds minus suspension-no.
Unless you have a minimal budget, no bike, then shure.......I guess.................NOT.
somebody posted a querry asking if his Alu frame was toast because it fell over onto a granite boulder.
Ugly cuts right into the metal, and this is not a metal that can stand X-stress if compromised.
Ugggh..poor guy. Alu I think is fine in FS bikes. Traditional frame builds minus suspension-no.
Unless you have a minimal budget, no bike, then shure.......I guess.................NOT.
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I was talking with a guy from a LBS yesterday and he mentioned how steel is getting better and better, partially due to the steel but also because lugs are getting welded better. I don't claim to know a lot of this personally, but it seems to make sense. Steel seems more sturdy for the city, or at least 165 has done a good job brainwashing me into believing that. You have to watch that guy... He's sneaky.
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I just purchased an unused Italian made steal lugged frame from circa 1990 for my fixie commuter/fun ride. It's a road frame but it's a beauty and I cannot wait to get her rigged up fixed. My road bike is an Al/Carbon combo and she is my racer and race she does... so, bias? I don't know. Just use what's out there you know? ...
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Actually, the swingarm of my FS bike, as well as 2 trials bikes I've done in the past are Nickel coated Aluminium. "How does he do it?" I hear you say.
"Bugger off" comes the reply. "It's a secret".
"Bugger off" comes the reply. "It's a secret".
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Originally Posted by digdug
I know there are a lot of people, fixed gear riders in particular, who prefer steel to aluminum or titanium...and not just for the price.
Does anyone on here actively NOT like steel?
Does anyone on here actively NOT like steel?
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Originally Posted by digdug
I know there are a lot of people, fixed gear riders in particular, who prefer steel to aluminum or titanium...and not just for the price.
Does anyone on here actively NOT like steel?
Does anyone on here actively NOT like steel?
) races on it years ago and could only swear by steel frame till.... I the exact size of my old steel one, the frame is aluminium.. and I love it. But I can't give up my old bike, it's called nostalgia..
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Lugs?..not for me, too heavy (look nice).
I just stripped a Ritchey to metal, the welds are so fine-pure craftmanship.
Most MTB now are huge alu tubed bikes with weld beads the size of rope you use to ty up your boat. Ugly...though probably strong. Guess robots have little sense of asthetics.
I just stripped a Ritchey to metal, the welds are so fine-pure craftmanship.
Most MTB now are huge alu tubed bikes with weld beads the size of rope you use to ty up your boat. Ugly...though probably strong. Guess robots have little sense of asthetics.




