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Compass Tire Hype: Warning

Old 08-28-17, 04:43 PM
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I've spent more time and miles experimenting with the pressure on my 35mm Compass tires. I'm down to 60 rear and 40 front. These tires are STUPID luxurious and they just keep freaking rolling.

25 windy miles yesterday and I got tired of spinning out. Everything felt like downhill. If I stopped pedaling the bike would just roll, and roll, and roll, and roll further. And starting from a dead stop is quick and easy. I'm going to reduce my rear cog by one tooth. I'm serious. These things are ridiculous. No flats yet either. None. I no longer care that the price tag is insulting. I'm on the stupid shill train for good.
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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet
I've spent more time and miles experimenting with the pressure on my 35mm Compass tires. I'm down to 60 rear and 40 front. These tires are STUPID luxurious and they just keep freaking rolling.
You sound like some of the mountain bike nerds I know, discussing the nuances their tire pressure. To ride 25psi or not to ride 25psi. Then I have a buddy that pumps up to 40psi and still kicks ass. It's all good though, over the years I have come to enjoy some squish in my tires. Generally pump my 35mm tires to 60spi and drop down from there if I go off-roading.
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Originally Posted by hairnet
You sound like some of the mountain bike nerds I know, discussing the nuances their tire pressure. To ride 25psi or not to ride 25psi. Then I have a buddy that pumps up to 40psi and still kicks ass. It's all good though, over the years I have come to enjoy some squish in my tires. Generally pump my 35mm tires to 60spi and drop down from there if I go off-roading.
Hahahaha. You would have enjoyed some of our liter motorcycle tire PSI debates. 400lbs + 170hp and we'd go nuts over 28 or 28.5 in the front. "32 in the rear? Are you mad? I'd never go over 30.5. LOL. But seriously, the changes of weight distribution on the bikes made a big difference. You could really tell the difference. Actually, I think those machines were more sensitive to change than my bicycles. Maybe that was because we pushed them hard enough to where the tires started arguing.
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I think it makes a lot more sense on a motorcycle but on a bicycle what works for you is what matters. Some skinny dudes on road bikes pump their tires to 120psi while I, currently at 250lbs, rarely pump over 100psi on my 23mm tires. :shrug: Speaking of motorcycles, I wish I knew more about them. I do a little dirt biking here are there but I really don't know ****.
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Originally Posted by hairnet
I think it makes a lot more sense on a motorcycle but on a bicycle what works for you is what matters. Some skinny dudes on road bikes pump their tires to 120psi while I, currently at 250lbs, rarely pump over 100psi on my 23mm tires. :shrug: Speaking of motorcycles, I wish I knew more about them. I do a little dirt biking here are there but I really don't know ****.
Dirt bikes were my heaven while growing up. Racing MX was a euphoria better than any drug. Killer exercise too. I still believe Pro MX racers are probably the fittest overall athletes.
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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet
Dirt bikes were my heaven while growing up. Racing MX was a euphoria better than any drug. Killer exercise too.
Hell yeah, the time just melts away. I'll probably go out more with my dad once the weather starts to cool down. I just wish I could get a bigger bike, the Honda 250 we have is like a clown bike under me.
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Hell yeah, the time just melts away. I'll probably go out more with my dad once the weather starts to cool down. I just wish I could get a bigger bike, the Honda 250 we have is like a clown bike under me.
I'm only six foot tall and even I'm way too big for even the biggest MX bike. Compact dudes have always been the fastest throughout history. When I stand up-sit down-stand up-sit down five hundred times during a race it takes its toll because the legs bend so deeply compared to a five foot six dude. For them it's like going up and down on a bar stool, a minor flex, far shallower and way less quad work. For you it must be like doing a full squat. I used to say I wish I was 6' tall on Friday night and 5'6" on Sunday morning. At 250 you should be on a 450 or a 250 2-stroke.

Back when I raced (before the stupid tight and slow indoor arena tracks that are all an air show and no speed) there was an open class. 500cc two strokes. TWICE the power of the current Pro top class. They only had four gears and you only used three because there was always too much power available. They used to ruin the tracks for the 250s and 125s. Knee deep gulches by the end of a 30 minute moto.

Better than sex x 10.

The thing I think I miss the most about MX over road racing was the violence of it all. The tracks were violent, the bikes were violent, and more often then not your opponents were violent. It was like ice hockey on wheels. Bash hard and exit fast.

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I have much experience with flats. Compass tires in wider widths are very tough.

Mostly I used to get goats heads and glass. I have been riding compass tires since they were introduced. First the Grand Boise, and later Compass 700x32 (had a custom frame built for wider tires before they did their first tests). I was getting several flats a month and started using latex based sealant (totally worth it). Then I started using 42mm and 38mm Compass tires, no sealant, and have had only 3 flats in 20,000 miles.

I think some of that is incremental improvements in rubber compounds over the course of production, but clearly, wider tires at lower pressures simply flat less and don't damage as easily. They deflect, rather than puncture. I have not retired any due to sidewall damage.

I am 6'6", 220 pounds (2m, 100kilo). 700c x 38mm at 55psi rear, 45 front. 650b x 42 start at 50 rear 40 front. I will go a couple months between inflations, which is great for my daily commutes. I have let them go down to 20psi, where they will start to roll in corners. They are only a little faster when reinflated.
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Originally Posted by catgita
I have much experience with flats. Compass tires in wider widths are very tough.

Mostly I used to get goats heads and glass. I have been riding compass tires since they were introduced. First the Grand Boise, and later Compass 700x32 (had a custom frame built for wider tires before they did their first tests). I was getting several flats a month and started using latex based sealant (totally worth it). Then I started using 42mm and 38mm Compass tires, no sealant, and have had only 3 flats in 20,000 miles.

I think some of that is incremental improvements in rubber compounds over the course of production, but clearly, wider tires at lower pressures simply flat less and don't damage as easily. They deflect, rather than puncture. I have not retired any due to sidewall damage.

I am 6'6", 220 pounds (2m, 100kilo). 700c x 38mm at 55psi rear, 45 front. 650b x 42 start at 50 rear 40 front. I will go a couple months between inflations, which is great for my daily commutes. I have let them go down to 20psi, where they will start to roll in corners. They are only a little faster when reinflated.
Jeez, another shill, peddling the hype.
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a bit 'off topic', but I have been using Specialized Turbo Cotton tyres on my road bike (Giant TCR) for the past few months (700Cx24) .... on my wheels (HED Belgium Plus), they measure just over 27mm wide

amazing tyres that roll fast .... super comfortable, and so far, I have covered 750km on some fairly rough roads .... one puncture from a shard of glass that would have punctured a tractor tyre, and these tyres still look new

I will definately buy these again .... I'm using them with Bontrager Ultra-Lightweight Tubes (not latex, but a lot lighter than normal tubes
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Swapped my Compass tires for Clements as I practice for the cross season. Very sad.

Currently wishing and hoping that they would make a knobby 33. Please take my money.
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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet
For you it must be like doing a full squat.
Sigh My dad has a 450 fitted with a raised saddle and riser bars and what not to make it work nicely for him and he's 6' tall. It feels good when I get on his bike but I still need some more so I don't have to work so hard to to get my ass off the saddle.

I haven't ridden a more powerful bike and they seem scary. Have you thought of doing so other kind of racing like Enduro rather then MX?
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Originally Posted by Carcosa
Swapped my Compass tires for Clements as I practice for the cross season. Very sad.

Currently wishing and hoping that they would make a knobby 33. Please take my money.
I bet it happens eventually. Ridiculous amount of Compass hype.
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Ridiculous amount of Compass hype.
Best tires I've used yet.

I wouldn't be as worried if Clement could get the gumwall message or if Challenge could make some tubeless ready Grifos.
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I just put some 25c Veloflex Masters on my road bike and they improved the ride a lot. Put the Schwalbe Kojak's on my single speed 26" Rockhopper conversion. Thinking about the 120 TPI 28c Clement Strada's for my fixed gear.

All as ways to get Compass like feel for less than Compass prices but at some point I'd like to try the real things. This thread only heightens that desire...
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Originally Posted by Carcosa
Swapped my Compass tires for Clements as I practice for the cross season. Very sad.

Currently wishing and hoping that they would make a knobby 33. Please take my money.
If they did, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up as a 700x32C nominal, or undersized for the 700x33C label, just to make sure it passes inspection on wide rims...
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I am a huge fan. I rode sewups by preference until I tried Compass tires. I now have them on most of my bikes, including my cheapo builds. It is astonishing how nice an old heavy bike can be when on Compass tires!
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Originally Posted by hairnet
I haven't ridden a more powerful bike and they seem scary.
Scary can be sublime. When a bike is fast enough to narrow your field of vision by 80% and render your depth perception useless, you are beginning to touch the other world. It begins to feel like an artificial experience. My heart rate actually begins to go down. Adrenaline is now not only useless, it's dangerous. Yoga zen at 180mph. Very soothing.

Have you thought of doing so other kind of racing like Enduro rather then MX?
Not violent enough.

Asphalt is my gig now. MX is for the young studs.

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It is astonishing how nice an old heavy bike can be when on Compass tires!
I am extremely qualified to agree with this.
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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet
Scary can be sublime. When a bike is fast enough to narrow your field of vision by 80% and render your depth perception useless, you are beginning to touch the other world. It begins to feel like an artificial experience. My heart rate actually begins to go down. Adrenaline is now not only useless, it's dangerous. Yoga zen at 180mph. Very soothing.
I know the feeling, although it wasn't on a motorcycle at suicide speeds. When I rowed crew there was once race where my crew was so in sync the boat just felt like it was gliding through the water, I felt no more pain even though we were in the heat of the race with our coxswain screaming his head off at us, time was slowing down, and the world around me was totally quiet except for the sound of the water. Very sublime and it all came crashing down when we crossed the finish line and my guts came pouring out over the side the boat.
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Originally Posted by hairnet
time was slowing down
YES! You totally get it man!!!!!!!!!

And yes, the silence, it's brilliant, the world disappears. It's like your brain and all your senses shut off, and your body is running on auto pilot. And the best experience is IF you become aware of the state that you are in, you can relax, embrace it, and go deeper. If you think about what you are doing, you'll just ruin the whole thing.

Another beautiful part of it is, you know that your rowing team mate (riding buddy) is right there in that same strange place with you, experiencing every detail at the exact same time. It's like an unconscious bonding ballet. Connected.
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I wonder what frame and wheel you using? I been looking at Compass tire for a long time but size is so freaking big

My Fuji Feather frame seems to take 28 just fine but probably not with 35-36, want to try them on but fear of frame clearance will be . . . troublesome
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I ride my super light compass 38s on terrain I would not in my wildest dreams consider a road. Jagged rocks, dirt, mud, whatever. These things haven't punctured once. I just don't get it. They are amazing tires in every way. Put them back on tarmac and they're schweeeeeet.
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