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My new Kilo TT stripper chrome - noob seeking advice

Old 09-25-16, 09:14 AM
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My new Kilo TT stripper chrome - noob seeking advice

First, let me say I am a noob bike rider. I was working with my LBS on a path racer project using a late 70s/early 80s touring frame and he had a family emergency, putting the project on hiatus indefinitely. I started looking around on these forums and the internet and was going back in forth between a Kilo TT, Wabi Classic, and PueFix Premium Harding. I was going to check out a Wabi Classic on CL next week when this bike popped up literally 10 minutes from my house on Craigslist. The seller wanted $290 for it which I thought was a good deal.



I took the bike home, cleaned it up, and threw my Lauterwasser bars and B17 on it. I was off the to races!



The bike is so light and responsive and a real joy to ride. This is my first experience riding a fixed gear bike and I have to say the bike feels like an extension of my legs themselves. A new experience for me.

So now I am considering upgrades. And I want to stick to a classic bike style like the path racer I was hoping to build. Here is what I am thinking and could your advice. I will continue to scour CL for parts but am also willing to buy new:

Soma layback seatpost
Nitto quill stem and velo orange threadless
Sugino single speed crankset
MKS Sylvan pedals
A pair of leather handgrips to match the saddle
New wheels and rims - what to get?
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New bottom bracket when this one craps out
I might swap out the black tekros for chrome colored -- anything vintage looking out there?

Any advice is appreciated

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Old 09-25-16, 11:44 AM
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Nitto quill stem and velo orange threadless
I don't understand what you are saying there.

Sugino single speed crankset
Good choice depending on what era Path Racer are you attempting to emulate.

MKS Sylvan pedals
Good choice depending on what era Path Racer are you attempting to emulate.

A pair of leather handgrips to match the saddle
Good plan

New wheels and rims - what to get?
Rims should have eyelets.

Panaracers
OLD Path Racers ran somewhat larger tires. 32-40mm, Gum walls would be appropriate.

I might swap out the black tekros for chrome colored -- anything vintage looking out there?
"Real" Path racers were brakeless track bikes. I'm not suggesting you ride brakeless, just mentioning what would be most authentic. Or a spoon brake, but that would be a challenge to adapt.

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That's a really sharp looking bike, and I'm sure it will be even better when you've finished your upgrades.

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New wheels and rims - what to get?
I don't know how authentic you're trying to stay. A lot of folks give high recommendations to the H + Son Archetype rims, though I have no personal experience with them. I have Velocity rims on two of my bikes, a set of Chukkers and a set of Deep V. They have been great, and I highly recommend them.
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I did something similar with my Motobecane Jury although I went with drum brakes and a 3 speed hub.
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The quill stem bit doesn't really make sense. You'd need to also get a threaded fork and headset if you want to use a quill.
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If you're really going to ride it fixed, you need to put the toe clips and straps back on. Safety first.
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Thanks to everyone for the replies.

SquidPuppet and seau grateau: I wasn't clear about the quill stem. I was talking about this VO Tall-Stack threadless stem:

VO Tall-Stack Stem 31.8, 1-1/8"

As for authenticity of the path racer, that was for the other project. But I am going to mirror that style a little bit here with this bike.

Broctoon: I am looking at the Velocity wheels and hubs. Thanks for the tip!

Kingston: that Motobecane is a real beauty!

And pacificaslim: I plan to put them back on. Thanks
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Any advice on a retro-looking crankset? Would the Sugino Mighty Comp work?

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SquidPuppet and seau grateau: I wasn't clear about the quill stem. I was talking about this VO Tall-Stack threadless stem:

VO Tall-Stack Stem 31.8, 1-1/8"
Gotcha. The Kilo TT has a 1" threadless fork rather than the more standard 1/8" threadless, so you'll just need a shim and 1 1/8" top cap to use it.

As for retro-style cranks, IRD defiant comes to mind. Velo-Orange makes lots of retro-styled stuff too, so you could see if they have anything that works for you.
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Originally Posted by Dougbloch View Post
Thanks to everyone for the replies.

SquidPuppet and seau grateau: I wasn't clear about the quill stem. I was talking about this VO Tall-Stack threadless stem:

VO Tall-Stack Stem 31.8, 1-1/8"
Kilos are 1" threadless and I wonder if a shim will even work with that tall stack stem...

Edit...ooops - seau grateau beat me to it

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Originally Posted by Dougbloch View Post
Any advice on a retro-looking crankset? Would the Sugino Mighty Comp work?

SUGINO

Not IMO.
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Gotcha. The Kilo TT has a 1" threadless fork rather than the more standard 1/8" threadless, so you'll just need a shim and 1 1/8" top cap to use it.

As for retro-style cranks, IRD defiant comes to mind. Velo-Orange makes lots of retro-styled stuff too, so you could see if they have anything that works for you.

The Defiant is 70s old school.though. He needs something OLD OLD school. Skip tooth school.
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Originally Posted by Dougbloch View Post
Any advice on a retro-looking crankset? Would the Sugino Mighty Comp work
That's a Sugino XD on my Jury. It comes with a 46T chainring. Quite a bit less expensive than the Mighty Comp.
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Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
Gotcha. The Kilo TT has a 1" threadless fork rather than the more standard 1/8" threadless, so you'll just need a shim and 1 1/8" top cap to use it.

As for retro-style cranks, IRD defiant comes to mind. Velo-Orange makes lots of retro-styled stuff too, so you could see if they have anything that works for you.
Thanks for telling me that! I would've been very bummed when I went to put it on.

The IRD Defiant was at the top of my list and I looked at some of the VO cranks too. I will probably have to save for the Defiant if I want it. The Sugino XD is probably more in my budget.

I'm also looking a lot at rims and hubs. I assume I have the stock ones on this bike, although the tires are definitely not stock.

I live on a flat island and ride the bike 10 miles round trip to work so I don't need top end stuff. Just quality that hopefully looks a little vintage.
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That's a Sugino XD on my Jury. It comes with a 46T chainring. Quite a bit less expensive than the Mighty Comp.
Thanks. That is much more in my price range, although a local guy has a NIB Mighty Comp for cheap.
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Big fan of H Plus Son Archetypes. Really nice rims, nicer in my opinion than Velocitys. Not as heavy as deep Vs. If you want something more classic feeling you can always go with Mavics.

Formula hubs are the standard and very solid if you want to keep price down but if you lace them to some nicer looking hubs they can look super good. I've got mine laced to Suzue Pro Max hubs which I really like.

Check out Velomine.com for wheels. You can often find some very good deals.
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Big fan of H Plus Son Archetypes. Really nice rims, nicer in my opinion than Velocitys. Not as heavy as deep Vs. If you want something more classic feeling you can always go with Mavics.

Formula hubs are the standard and very solid if you want to keep price down but if you lace them to some nicer looking hubs they can look super good. I've got mine laced to Suzue Pro Max hubs which I really like.

Check out Velomine.com for wheels. You can often find some very good deals.
I never saw that web site, thanks!

The Sun CR-18s with Formula or Origin8 hubs are very reasonably priced.

I wonder what I could fetch for the wheels and tires I have on there if I put them on Craigslist.
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This seems like a really good deal:

Velocity Aero rims Silver fixed gear wheelset non machined 32 H [740272] - $149.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike

Velocity Aeros laced to Origin 8 branded formula hubs for $150.

I've had Velocity Aero's before and they are a very clean looking rim. Sort of split the difference between classic and modern and are pretty light. Personally, I'd spend as much as you can on wheels. They have much more bearing on how the bike feels than probably anything else. A nice light wheel set makes the bike feel so much more responsive. Sort of like when you are buying a stereo system, the classic advice is to spend most of your money on speakers.

Another option is the Wabi wheelset:
Wabi Standard Fixed Gear Wheelset - Wabi Cycles
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The Defiant is 70s old school.though. He needs something OLD OLD school. Skip tooth school.
Just file down every other tooth and you're good to go.
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The Sun CR-18s with Formula or Origin8 hubs are very reasonably priced.
I have CR18's on my Jury, and I like them a lot. The interior rim width is 18mm which is good for 28C and up. I'd be surprised if your bike can accommodate that wide of a tire. Look for something with an interior rim width of 13-15mm which will be good for a 23-25C tire.
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Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
Just file down every other tooth and you're good to go.

He could drill holes and add cotters too for a super authentic look.
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I have CR18's on my Jury, and I like them a lot. The interior rim width is 18mm which is good for 28C and up. I'd be surprised if your bike can accommodate that wide of a tire. Look for something with an interior rim width of 13-15mm which will be good for a 23-25C tire.
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This stem issue is kind've depressing me, and shame on me for not doing my research. I just love the old school look of a traditional quill stem and the ability to easily raise and lower it. The Purefix Harding has it and that was the bike that what I was going back and forth on with the Kilo TT before this bike popped up on Craigslist.

I jumped at this for the price ($290 vs $449+tax for the Harding) and didn't even think about the stem. I was still in the research phase but this seemed like such a good deal. After adding in the cost of wheels, cranks, new tires, and stem... well not as much. Of course I've read enough to know that unless I buy a Wabi or something equivalent I should be expecting to replace all of those components anyway. But darn that threadless stem!

Has anybody tried these Soma pieces for adding a quill stem? Still not as clean a look, but I could throw my old Raleigh stem on it.

Quill-inator | SOMA Fabrications

Other options I am considering:

Soma High Rider Stem

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The Soma thing is kinda interesting. Never saw that before. Though if you're really set on going with a quill stem, you could probably get a threaded fork and headset for not much more total cost.
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The Soma thing is kinda interesting. Never saw that before. Though if you're really set on going with a quill stem, you could probably get a threaded fork and headset for not much more total cost.
Wow this is turning into an educational adventure. Thanks for putting up with my newbie-ness. If I hadn't just mostly rebuilt my 1970 Robin Hood I wouldn't be obsessing over this new project.

So something like this Sunlight fork?

700c Cromoly 250mm 1" Chrome Road Bike Fork Threaded Steertube 22 2 Fixed Gear | eBay
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