prooftheory

Wait, was Scrod permabanned?
edit: I looked it up and it is only for a month.

REDMASTA

bwilli88 

All JA look to the bars aside. Looking reasonably at the pictures in post 135 pcf is riding a bike that is too small for him. Looking at his leg extension and the height of his seat post he could and I would suggest be on a bike at least 2 cm taller if not 4cm. With that much seat to bar drop it is hardly a good upright position and these chop and flop bars only bring his hands closer and not really up high enough to put his back straight.
I also think because he just chopped some cheap narrow bars his hands are too close together causing his arm and elbows to be crunched and locked. If the bars were flipped to a bull horn it would allow a more stretched out posture allowing the shoulders and elbows to relax. Upright positioning moves the weight back from the hands to an upright, non-arching, backside. The brother is on a bike closer to his size but it still is an ugly bike.

look that the bar height to seat in the pic below, they are almost level. this bike is so big I still have to lean over a bit to ride it but it is more upright that shown in post 135.

hairnet

This is what I thought too. That posture looks cramped and has a lot of weight being supported by his hands and arms which isn't conducive to long riding. I don't care about the chop'n'flop but his riding position is just bad.

pcf

My brother and I are both 5'11" with 32-33" inseams. Most sizing charts I've seen suggest 56-58 cm road bike size.

I've put ~ 1,000 miles on the Evo and several thousand on the PX-10 without discomfort, except for hand numbness as I get older.

The chart below shows sizing comparisons for both bikes.

chelvel

Look closer at my setup then. Any numbness is eliminated. My dimensions are the same.

Gresp15C

As an aside, hand numbness could be a neck issue. Raising the bar might help. Also, I've realized that core strength is a factor too, and I'm now more conscious about not putting too much weight on my hands.

bwilli88 

Crusiers and upright bike should be more of a high bar/low seat, I am 5'8" and 31" inseam and ride a 56-58 road bike, if I want a more upright posture I go to a 54-56 and shorten and raise the stem up so I sit back further.
I also am posting a 2 speed SRAM Automatix but this is a much more upright bike
Here is another bike that is a 56 with a more upright setup

IMG_20180519_145832267 by Bwilli88, on Flickr


Both of your seats are higher than the bars ≠ to upright position IMNSHO.

Mikefule

Possibly the most sensible comment in the whole thread!

How many of us have not tried something non-standard to address a perceived problem? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. People laughed at hobby horses and velocipedes; penny farthings were seen as ridiculous; the safety bike was looked down on, figuratively and literally, by the experts; and slowly, 2 steps forwards and 1 step back, cycles have improved.

I applaud the original poster for trying something and sharing it. I wouldn't want that set up for myself, but then, he may not like any of my bikes or unicycles.

A serious point, though, is that an upright riding position, whilst a good idea at first glance, may not be the best thing if you have a bad back, aching joints, etc. I have a back problem and my physio told me that riding bent over is probably good for it because it helps to stretch part of my lower back that has become too stiff. On the other hand, riding too upright increases the compression shocks on the very parts of my back that are causing the problem.

seau grateau

Upright position =/= riding a low cramped cockpit with your elbows locked and wondering why you get hand numbness.

chelvel

All nice bikes. The problem is they have different hand position.

bwilli88 

Yes they are a bit different but both have a fairly upright not necessarily laid back riding positions.

pcf

Sold the Fuji yesterday to an experienced commuter. She loved the handlebar setup, and looks comfortable riding it.

motrheadsroadie

IAmSam

Fun fact: After he retired from the circus business...PT Barnum went into politics

phobus

an elbow locked every minute

motrheadsroadie

theres a joke in here somewhere about politics and old ppl convinced they are doing things the right way regardless of everyone else younger than they are telling them otherwise.

veganbikes

Back in my day we used to get polio and ride with our elbows locked and we liked it by cracky. You youngin' whippersnappers don't even understand. We couldn't afford bars so we made them out of shells we collected from W W Two.

bwilli88 

Too bad you did not put a rear brake on it for her.

pcf

We discussed it and I suggested it would be easy to add one if she wanted. She liked it set up as is.

SeanBikes

Sounds like an awesome funny-bike idea!

...Damn... The internet has thought of everything


This thread is gold tho... Keep it up

ed4406

Bumpin' this thread for its entertainment value. I just picked up a bike with these bars and I have to admit the thought of flipping crossed my mind. Instead, returning it to it's original drops fits my style. Riding the hoods with a slightly shorter stem works well for my bad back at 62.

pcf

I've put over a thousand miles on my bikes with this setup, not an issue at all.

veganbikes

When you are floppy chopping you don't worry about stopping. My flopper chopper bars have floppy choppy brake levers as well because the one tenant of the Vince from Slap Chop lifestyle is something called Chopi Sopi where everything must be cut awkwardly and flopped around like a pervert on the subway.

ksryder

flip flop you don't stop