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Old 12-05-17, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by REDMASTA View Post
More fair comparison, and I assume you can request 28mm Panaracer Pasela tires on the Wabi instead of the hated Thickslicks. I give All-City the edge but frame and components between the two are fairly comparable.
That All-City is overpriced too.
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Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
That All-City is overpriced too.
I suppose, but even taking a Big Block, Steamroller, or Wabi frameset and building it up with similar wheels and components will cost you just as much or more. What would you consider a better complete at that price or less? Please don't say Kilo TT
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Originally Posted by REDMASTA View Post
More fair comparison, and I assume you can request 28mm Panaracer Pasela tires on the Wabi instead of the hated Thickslicks.
That may/may-not be so easy as was once the case.
When my LD/FG riding buddy bought his Classic from Richard he was able to spec bar width, stem length and gearing from the website. And now: Nada.
It was this sort of customer friendly no-cost-added easy transaction that also made Wabi a favorite of the road FG community.

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Originally Posted by REDMASTA View Post
I suppose, but even taking a Big Block, Steamroller, or Wabi frameset and building it up with similar wheels and components will cost you just as much or more. What would you consider a better complete at that price or less? Please don't say Kilo TT
...Kilo WT? I don't know really, haven't been keeping up with these things. Aventons seem like the best value around right now, and last I checked Steamrollers were still under 800, though that might have changed.
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
That may/may-not be so easy as was once the case.
When my LD/FG riding buddy bought his Classic from Richard he was able to spec bar width, stem length and gearing from the website. And now: Nada.
It was this sort of customer friendly no-cost-added easy transaction that also made Wabi a favorite of the road FG community.

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>>> the TULSA wabi can bespoked to most tastes including color choices ... i don't think richard would be disappointed in the current product but i tend to agree that fixie hipness is on the ebb
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Old 12-05-17, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
That may/may-not be so easy as was once the case.
When my LD/FG riding buddy bought his Classic from Richard he was able to spec bar width, stem length and gearing from the website. And now: Nada.
It was this sort of customer friendly no-cost-added easy transaction that also made Wabi a favorite of the road FG community.
Exactly. Thatís how I bought my Wabi Lightning. You could also spec crankarm length, bar type (drop or bullhorn), brake lever type, saddle type (racing or touring), etc at no additional cost. So, essentially I got a custom built bicycle for a lower cost than most off the shelf SSFG bicycles.
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Old 12-05-17, 03:02 PM
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We still do custom builds. More than half our orders are custom.

Sorry you guys don't like one of the 2018 builds.

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Old 12-05-17, 03:26 PM
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Yeah, but you don’t sell 650c stuff anymore, so basically you have abandoned the sub 5’-6” customers like myself.
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Originally Posted by curtiskline View Post
We still do custom builds. More than half our orders are custom.
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If that's the case you are making the process far more arduous for the customer and yourself than necessary.
Time is money and mis-communication is a big waste of it.
Take a cue from the original Wabi online ordering process and integrate simple "option/cost" boxes to spec the build w/ the defaults for bar/stem/cog etc. and alternatives w/ their up cost. Tally at check-out and Done the easy efficient way with no doubt as to what to build and how much it costs the customer using their time & labor.

Or leave this in place to be as vague as possible:

"We can do many customizations on our bikes. When you order, leave us a note in the comments and we'll contact you if we need more info."

BTW: Your build spec is now a default "46/18 freewheel"
Freewheel?
You really have lost touch with the original Wabi customer base......

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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
If that's the case you are making the process far more arduous for the customer and yourself than necessary.
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BTW: Your build spec is now a default "46/18 freewheel"
Freewheel?
You really have lost touch with the original Wabi customer base......

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Points taken. Input is appreciated.

Note that only a couple of the models are spec'd with (only) a freewheel. Most include a fixed cog and a freewheel.

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Old 12-05-17, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
Yeah, but you donít sell 650c stuff anymore, so basically you have abandoned the sub 5í-6Ē customers like myself.
No, sir.

We ran out of 42cm frames and we haven't been able to get this to the top of the priority list. We should have listed the 42cm size on the new models and listed it as "out of stock". As soon as we can, we will re-stock that size. Based on sales volume and our many priorities, as well as minimum order quantities from the frame builder, my guess is we will see those in mid-2018.

Sorry for the confusion and the delay.

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Originally Posted by curtiskline View Post
We ran out of 42cm frames and we haven't been able to get this to the top of the priority list. We should have listed the 42cm size on the new models and listed it as "out of stock". As soon as we can, we will re-stock that size. Based on sales volume and our many priorities, as well as minimum order quantities from the frame builder, my guess is we will see those in mid-2018.
Iím glad to hear that. So, what about the 650c wheelset ? I donít see it listed anymore on your website either.
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Glad to see they/you are watching and listening. Maybe it might help and maybe they might reach out more to this community to get ideas and build better bikes. Don't follow trends old or new but buck them in a good way. Build cool fixed gear/single speed road and cross bikes out of steel as the old guard did.
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I'm still considering purchasing a Classic myself once I learn what the 2018 colorways are. Any word on that, Mr @curtiskline, and when they will be available?

I've got some shiny new wheels from RG (thanks Scrod) and everything else hanging out in spare parts bins, just haven't decided on the frameset yet.

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I'd also like to add that @seau grateau's praying mantis meme has been the best post in this thread yet.
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I'm not trying to defend the new Wabi business model, but maybe I can help explain what they are doing for the...shall we say...less business minded guys here?

Unless they are independently wealthy and in it just as a hobby - the new owners, and IIRC there are 2 of them who are looking to make a living from the company as opposed to just Richard running it by himself, undoubtedly sunk a lot of money into acquiring and moving Wabi. Perhaps they even had to take on substantial debt to afford the deal. So...they have no choice but to increase business and profits dramatically if they want to survive. Which means expanding their target audience beyond BFSSFG

Are they going about it in the right way? I guess I'll leave it to others (and time) to be judges of that.

And while we are at it...
https://blog.wabicycles.com/2017/12/...8-wabi-lineup/
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I think the Urban is pretty ugly. But, the Wabi Commute is good looking. Any idea what hardware is used to attach the racks to the frame?

https://wabicycles.com/collections/s...=4559578497051
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Man, tough crowd here. Wabi adds a bike to their line and everyone gets all upset about it. Wabi still offer all of the frames they always did, and they will do customs if you donít want the stock build. They offer framesets so you can build it yourself. I donít see anything to complain about.

I do think they should have a geometry chart with dimensions for all of their frames, and I think their website should have option/cost boxes to spec the build like @Bandera suggested. That would make ordering the bikes easier and with less chance of errors. I hope they make those changes soon.
@IAmSam makes a some good points in his post.
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Man, tough crowd here. Wabi adds a bike to their line and everyone gets all upset about it. Wabi still offer all of the frames they always did, and they will do customs if you donít want the stock build. They offer framesets so you can build it yourself. I donít see anything to complain about.
This.

There's a lot of food I don't like at the local farmer's market. Instead of *****ing about it, I buy the stuff I like to eat.
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Man, tough crowd here. Wabi adds a bike to their line and everyone gets all upset about it. Wabi still offer all of the frames they always did, and they will do customs if you donít want the stock build. They offer framesets so you can build it yourself. I donít see anything to complain about.

I do think they should have a geometry chart with dimensions for all of their frames, and I think their website should have option/cost boxes to spec the build like @Bandera suggested. That would make ordering the bikes easier and with less chance of errors. I hope they make those changes soon.
@IAmSam makes a some good points in his post.
Agreed. In business terms this is known as expanding your customer base. In order to be a profitable company, sometimes you have to branch out into new markets and take some risks. Their new retro bike looks like a '76 Schwinn Continental I used to have. Variety makes the world go round.

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This.

There's a lot of food I don't like at the local farmer's market. Instead of *****ing about it, I buy the stuff I like to eat.
Farmer's markets are too crowded with idiots. I prefer to go to the supermarket at midnight.
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Geometry chart is always a good idea. I'm not of average build, so I'm always looking for the geo chart. If I can't find one, or one doesn't exist, that bike is removed from my list of potential purchases.
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Farmer's markets are too crowded with idiots. I prefer to go to the supermarket at midnight.
Yeah, I agree. It was the first example I thought of because I had just read an article about local farmer's markets.
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The Geo chart is available on the Wabi website, it's just a little more buried than it should be IMHO.
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