nightfly

All City Big Block. Soma Rush.

Start with a good quality frame and go from there. Spend most of your budged on frame and wheels. Scavenge everything else and upgrade later. If you have $500 or $600 you can save a little longer and get to whatever you need for a good bike. Used steel frames are a good deal.

veganbikes

Forgot about the Soma Rush...yeah a Soma Rush would be neat. It would look especially nice with a retro-esque build which could be done reasonably cheaply and still get some good parts here and there.

GENESTARWIND

Pake rumrunner or French!

ryan_rides

I regret buying my mataro low. I had to warranty my frame and my warrantied frame cracked in the same spot. Right where the seat stays meet the seatube. Right on the weld. I know it's aluminum but I don't get how you can manufacture bikes that crack so easily and also sponsor a team that raves in the red hook crit. #stealisreal. Save your money and buy an all city.

Ride_Fast

What do you guys think of Bianchi pista? Specifically this one Pista | Bianchi USA

is the frame any good?
is it heavy?
Would it be better than a standard 6061 aluminum frame?
Are the stock hubs, and rims good?

I don't think it's better than my current bike but I could be wrong.

Carcosa

is the frame any good? Sure.
is it heavy? Yes.
Would it be better than a standard 6061 aluminum frame? Better is subjective.
Are the stock hubs, and rims good? Meh.

Not something I'd spend $770 on.

Do that.

Or that.

Or still this.

Ride_Fast

So save a little bit more money and get a Big Block? I've also seen some nature boys for sale but I would rather get something that has a "true track" geometry.

What about this bike in comparison to all the bikes that have been mentioned?

https://www.retro-gression.com/colle...-complete-bike

seau grateau

TBH I think the Gazzetta and Big Block are both overpriced for what they are, but I'd definitely take the Big Block between the two. The Gazzetta is just a run of the mill, and pretty ugly IMO, steel frame that happens to say Cinelli on it.

bonsai171

Just to throw something else into the mix, there are a couple of odd-ball things about the #kilo-tt. First of all, it has a 1" threadless fork, instead of the industry standard 1 & 1/8. Also, the crank arm length is 165mm, instead of the standard 170mm. They probably aren't deal-breakers per se, but it might be hard to get a good fit as far as stem length since there aren't as many 1" stems (and tons of 1&1/8 choices), and depending on your height, the crank arm length might not be the best choice. You can get a shim and put a 1&1/8 stem on it though, and swap the crank. Think Schwinn in the '70s with their non-standard thin seatposts and other bits. How much fun is that? :-p

Dave

seau grateau

The Kilo headtube size is dumb, but the crank length is a non-issue. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who can sit on a bike with 165mm cranks and one with 170mm cranks and tell the difference.

phobus

Buy a $5 shim and you can use any 1-1/8" stem you like. There's a smaller selection of replacement 1" threadless forks and headsets, but it'll be long time before finding replacements is an actual problem.

I think I'd be more annoyed by the seatpost diameter, but that's not something you switch out often.

bonsai171

Didn't even notice that. 26.8mm. Never even heard of that size.

Dave

Carcosa

Honestly, if I wanted another track bike. I'd be hard pressed not to buy one of these:

https://www.retro-gression.com/colle...cursa-frameset

GENESTARWIND

Yeah 26.8 seatpost diameter is obnoxious. I hated it about my kilo.

sleepy

26.8 comes up on a lot of old vintage steel Lightweights.

Ride_Fast

I've come across some nice frames and I wanted to know what you guys think.

The first one is this vintage Japanese Soma Competition for 125$





The other is the Fuji Obey for 300$

Are these frames worth getting over the ones that we've been talking about? They seem super nice.