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Old 05-18-18, 01:46 AM
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Soma Rush vs Cinelli Tutto

Looking to grab one of these framesets and build a solid single-speed daily commuter.
Aesthetics aside, which one would you pick and why? (I could get the Tutto for less money than Rush)

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How are getting a Tutto for less money than a Rush?! The Tutto will be a more flexible platform with belt drive capabilities, wider tire clearance, mounts for canti and V brakes.
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Tutto all day. Way more versatile.
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They're two entirely different framesets. How are you even considering both of them?
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How are getting a Tutto for less money than a Rush?! The Tutto will be a more flexible platform with belt drive capabilities, wider tire clearance, mounts for canti and V brakes.
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They're two entirely different framesets. How are you even considering both of them?
Why wouldnít I?
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I'm a bit biased as I own a Rush, but I find the Cinelli pretty ugly. I think if you need things like wider tire clearance, canti mounts and the option for belt drive, than yeah I guess get the Cinelli. Personally, I run 28s on my Rush with no desire to go bigger and I don't ever see wanting canti's or a belt drive.
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I'm a bit biased as I own a Rush, but I find the Cinelli pretty ugly. I think if you need things like wider tire clearance, canti mounts and the option for belt drive, than yeah I guess get the Cinelli. Personally, I run 28s on my Rush with no desire to go bigger and I don't ever see wanting canti's or a belt drive.
True. Not a huge fan of the color combo myself. I could live with the bright fork but that flat gray is somewhat meh. Just trying to get the best bang for buck.
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I've never thought much of the Tutto/Mash Work frames, tbh. Supposed to be a do-everything frame, but doesn't have fender mounts. Features belt drive compatibility, which is pointless extra cost for 99% of users. Its main draw is that you can take off the canti studs and make it look like a cool, clean track bike. Big pile of meh.
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Why wouldn’t I?
Seriously? Have you even looked at the specs and geometry charts?
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I've never thought much of the Tutto/Mash Work frames, tbh.
The Tutto sucks.
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Seriously? Have you even looked at the specs and geometry charts?
Not an expert. Tell me why wouldnít I?
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Because as I've already said, they're two entirely different bikes. Apples and onions.

The Rush has tight track geometry and uses a 1" threaded headset & quill stem, and the Tutto is all stretched out with a wacky long top tube, clearance for huge tires, removable cantilever brake mounts and useless belt-drive capability. For a single speed commuter, you're better off with a Surly Steamroller.
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Wasn’t Tutto the name of Dorothy’s dog in the Wizard of Oz ?











Oh, wait, it was Toto. Never mind.
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I think the belt drive is silly but I like the old Mash Work frame. It has been a great ride and looks rather nice. I have mine set up with TRP Revox Canti Brakes and drop bars with a NItto Rando Rack in the front and 38c tires. Also it has a dynamo which I love. Though I think the Steamroller is a good option as well and one I have considered.
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The Mash Work was at least cool, where the Tutto is just tired, ugly and clunky.
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Because as I've already said, they're two entirely different bikes. Apples and onions.

The Rush has tight track geometry and uses a 1" threaded headset & quill stem, and the Tutto is all stretched out with a wacky long top tube, clearance for huge tires, removable cantilever brake mounts and useless belt-drive capability. For a single speed commuter, you're better off with a Surly Steamroller.
Iím confused. Forgive me if Iím wrong but isnít the Tut also based on track geometry? As I said, Iím not an expert in bike geometry but the numbers seem quite close, the Tut even seems more compact on the contrary to what you said - 536mm top tube (size 530) on the Rush and 530mm (size M) on the Tut. What measurements are you referring to when you state ďwacky long top tubeĒ? I guess I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
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This is exactly why forums are ridiculous. Buy whatever you want. It's your bike, after all.
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This is exactly why forums are ridiculous. Buy whatever you want. It's your bike, after all.
What? In no way am I defending the Tut, Iím just asking what measurements are you referring to? Iíll go with the Soma since it looks better and I donít see myself going chainless.
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Not sure what chart you're looking at but the size large has a 52cm seat tube and a 55cm top tube measured center-to-center. That's pretty wacky when compared to traditional track geometry.
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I was comparing a size M Tut with a size 53 Soma. Soma only states their seat tube C-T, so I have no knowledge of what the C-C measurement is.

Soma:
Seat tube (C-T) / 530mm
Top tube (C-C) / 536mm

Tut:
Seat tube (C-C) / 500mm
Seat tube (C-T) / 540mm
Top tube (C-C) / 530mm
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I'll never understand why bike companies continue to insist on giving us C-T seat tube measurements. You can tell more about the frame from the head tube length, which is the same at the sizes you're looking at, but pretty short at the larger sizes for the Tutto. Kinda hard to tell what they're going for. Also, if you want to get into steel nerd stuff, the main triangle of the Rush is Tange Prestige, which is arguably a nicer tubeset than the Tutto's Columbus Cromor.
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Again, the Tutto sucks.
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