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Bb drop looks all the same

Old 12-23-18, 11:14 AM
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Bb drop looks all the same

hey yall so i successfully converted my 26" Pacific mtb to fix geared...luving it so far. but it put 1.5" tire so the BB is lowered that got me always worry of pedal strike.

anyway looking for a better bike now...with BB height in mind. i looked at allot. i look at bikes' profile side... i draw a line between both axle...and then i visualize the distance of the BB axis relative to the line. i am surprise that all the different bikes i look at, road bike, gravel bike, and fixies like Kilo TT, they have have similar BB drop.

so i dont get it. i heard peep say Kilo tt dont have ped strike. is ped strike really not about BB drop?

i guess my theory is it has more to do with shorter crank, narrower Q, or taller tires. so i dont really need a new bike...but just need to tweak these things to prevent ped strike. so heres my strategy:
  • larger wheel, like 27.5.
  • taller tires, like 1.9".
  • reduce the Q, shorter BB spindle length by about 10mm, and use Track crank.
  • shorter crank, like 160 mm

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Old 12-23-18, 11:33 AM
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Yes to all. Titanium is best. Use red pedals if that doesn't work.
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Old 12-26-18, 05:54 PM
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Do you find your pedals are hitting the ground a lot? If so, you need to do something different, either with your equipment or your riding style. If they are not hitting, why overthink it? Just ride!

Overthink = Q-factor, BB drop, tire size, blah blah blah... ANY fixed gear bike will allow pedals to strike the ground if you lean too far. Maybe your technique is what you should concentrate on first, and if that doesn't work, maybe you'll do better with a single speed (freewheel) bike.

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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
i look at bikes' profile side... i draw a line between both axle...and then i visualize the distance of the BB axis relative to the line. i am surprise that all the different bikes i look at, road bike, gravel bike, and fixies like Kilo TT, they have have similar BB drop.
How about looking at the published geometry specs for the bikes instead of visualizing what it might be? BB drop tends to vary from about 60mm to 75mm on most bikes. Frames intended primarily for fixed gear riding tend to be closer to the 60mm side of that range. 15mm isn't a huge range maybe but it does make a difference.
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Originally Posted by Caliper View Post
How about looking at the published geometry specs for the bikes instead of visualizing what it might be? BB drop tends to vary from about 60mm to 75mm on most bikes. Frames intended primarily for fixed gear riding tend to be closer to the 60mm side of that range. 15mm isn't a huge range maybe but it does make a difference.
Hey hey hey, just guessing from seeing online photos is way better than actually measuring and doing math...come on! You don't get to the moon with math you get there by strapping some rockets on a tube!
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Pedal strike on a track or converted road bike is pretty rare unless you're really cornering hard at high speed. My previous fixed gear bikes were road frame conversions with 175mm cranks and the only time I had pedal strike was when my rear tire blew out in the middle of a corner. So yeah... don't over think it.
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Originally Posted by hairnet View Post
Pedal strike on a track or converted road bike is pretty rare unless you're really cornering hard at high speed. My previous fixed gear bikes were road frame conversions with 175mm cranks and the only time I had pedal strike was when my rear tire blew out in the middle of a corner. So yeah... don't over think it.
I do not agree with this.
Pedal strike on a regular road bike does not require really hard cornering.
I would not be happy with normal road bike pedal clearances on a fixie.
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Old 01-14-19, 01:42 AM
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I have ridden bikes fix gear with a wide range of BB drops and that were very different for pedal strike. (All road bikes. I've never owned a track bike.) My converted Peugeots with 700c wheels struck early and often. On speed bumps too. My Mooney and custom fix gear both have highish BBs and I can hit but it is a pretty good lean when I do. I will never put a fix gear on my Raleigh Competition.

I have always run either Leotard platforms or Shimano 600 semi-platforms, both of which had decent but not great clearance. I keep Q-factors as narrow as possible for my knees and like the side benefit of clearance. I also run 175 cranks on all my current fix gears but ran 168 and 170 on my two Peugeots.

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Pedal strike can only occur when actually pedaling a bicycle, not when looking at online spec sheets.
Bike mfgs have become reasonably competent at designing and producing machines that are suitable for their intended use in the last century or so.
By actually riding such a machine on the open public roads important skills in bike handling and cornering, like not exceeding the limits of traction and/or whacking a pedal on the road surface, will develop.
Or not.

Choosing to ride a FG machine will provide instant negative/positive feedback on a variety of rider inputs, including lean angles in cornering.

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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
I do not agree with this.
Pedal strike on a regular road bike does not require really hard cornering.
I would not be happy with normal road bike pedal clearances on a fixie.
Take a bike and with a pedal at 6:00, lean it over in the parking lot until the pedal touches. You'll see that it's quite a steep angle. Maybe wide flat pedals could change that, but on any of my bikes with clipless pedals, this is somewhere around 45 degrees of lean.

Obviously everyone's experiences vary, but my fixed gear is a converted road bike with 170mm cranks and I've yet to have pedal strike once. I'm nervous in a few places where there is an off-camber road so will occasionally lean my body more than the bike but that's it.
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I think what I notice is the ground is not perfectly flat. There are lumps and bumps on the road. Your pedal might just catch on one of these. So you need extra clearance for safety factor.
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
I think what I notice is the ground is not perfectly flat. There are lumps and bumps on the road. Your pedal might just catch on one of these. So you need extra clearance for safety factor.
The planet is not perfectly flat and is covered with inconvenient lumps and bumps, however there is a Safe solution for bland non-threatening FG cycling, sorta.
Find a pan-flat perfectly paved rural road with no intersections or traffic controls that had just been cleaned by a street sweeper to venture forth on your exciting FG adventure.
Ride on w/o having to lean into a corner until suddenly threatened by all of that no-coasting nonsense, stop, dis-mount, turn the machine around and return.
The cycling equivalent of a slice of dry day old Wonder-bread, and just as scary.

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The cycling equivalent of a slice of dry day old Wonder-bread, and just as scary.-Bandera
MMMMMMmmmm...so tasty.

Even safer option put a trainer in a foam pit with your bike properly hooked up and then put on full downhill safety gear, some waterwings and a motorcycle helmet and go sit in an empty room with no corners or electrical outlets..
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The planet is not perfectly flat and is covered with inconvenient lumps and bumps
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I'm a believer in the reptilian occupied hollow-flat earth theory... so uh... you're wrong. Also if you were wondering, the moon is a hologram projected by the new world order to fool all of you dummies. #TheMoreYouKnow

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MMMMMMmmmm...so tasty.

Even safer option put a trainer in a foam pit with your bike properly hooked up and then put on full downhill safety gear, some waterwings and a motorcycle helmet and go sit in an empty room with no corners or electrical outlets..
Do you offer any safety classes? I definitely need some refresher courses

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@mouse: I do offer safety courses. However paying for them is tough because paper money could leave you with a paper cut that could get infected and then you could die and coins could weigh down your pockets and you could all into a pool or lake and drown because you sink to the bottom or you could get copper poisoning and Paypal could work but then you could get radiation from your cellular telephone and slowly die or even get zapped by electricity putting you in a vegetative state and the nurse could accidentally unplug you.

The world is very unsafe and one should never venture out into it for any reason.

Here is a free tip though never drink liquids because you can drown in a teaspoon of water. Me I carefully suck moisture from the air or absorb it through osmosis ; )
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@mouse: I do offer safety courses. However paying for them is tough because paper money could leave you with a paper cut that could get infected and then you could die and coins could weigh down your pockets and you could all into a pool or lake and drown because you sink to the bottom or you could get copper poisoning and Paypal could work but then you could get radiation from your cellular telephone and slowly die or even get zapped by electricity putting you in a vegetative state and the nurse could accidentally unplug you.

The world is very unsafe and one should never venture out into it for any reason.

Here is a free tip though never drink liquids because you can drown in a teaspoon of water. Me I carefully suck moisture from the air or absorb it through osmosis ; )
You sir truly are a lifesaver! Like they say not all heroes wear....... wait... do you wear a cape!?
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You sir truly are a lifesaver! Like they say not all heroes wear....... wait... do you wear a cape!?
Thank you, if I can help just one person realize that the entire world is unsafe and you should live life in fear of everything and avoid too much movement because that could be dangerous, then I will have done my job.
Fun Fact: Capes could choke you!
Another Fun Fact: Bananas seem like a soft harmless fruit but lurking on the outside is a slippery death trap, the natives call "a peel".
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pedal strikes are not an issue on imaginary bikes.
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Well.. this seriously sensible subject soured into a simply silly soliloquy sort of suddenly.

Also, don't eat any wild mushrooms or lick any small frogs you make find by the side of the road.

I used to scoff but now I know better.
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Originally Posted by Happy Feet View Post
Well.. this seriously sensible subject soured into a simply silly soliloquy sort of suddenly.

Also, don't eat any wild mushrooms or lick any small frogs you make find by the side of the road.

I used to scoff but now I know better.

I like the alliteration, absolutely astounding and astute against archaic arguments, A-plus.
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