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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

I hate to desecrate this nearly mint roady, but . . .

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Old 06-23-05, 02:53 PM
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I really wants me a fixie. Mostly so I can get a chain tensioner with a bottle opener and pretend like I am cooler than I am. So here's the deal. It's a nearly mint Miyata 310 with all original 7-spd drivetrain (early shimano 105 with the fancy etched bow and arrow) and a near perfect paint job. It obviously does not have track dropouts, but the dropouts are very nearly horizontal. The pic attached is the same bike with a similar paint scheme and basically what I am looking to accomplish.
http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2004/c/chu.htm

Two reservations:
1) hate to "de-originalize" a very decent and complete 1986 road bike;
2) the geometry is slightly more relaxed than my other road bikes, lots more relaxed than my TT bike and I am wondering if this is really the ideal candidate for my fixed gear;
3) I really want to use one of those Surly or Spot tensioners so I'll have a bottle opener handy - are they designed for these kind of dropouts or only for track dropouts? mmmm, beer.

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Old 06-23-05, 03:00 PM
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1. F it. You can always go back.
2. F it. Sure it is!
3. F it. It's a bike, not a tool.
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Old 06-23-05, 03:00 PM
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Just keep the parts, and don't shave off the cable guides. If you ever feel the urge to 'go original' or you get a better frame for your fixie wheel, you can just restore it back to its old self.

Relaxed geometry is nice. Its not hardcore, but its comfy, and that counts for more than people give it credit for.

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the surly tug nut is for track drops only.

if it's that much of a concern, get the surly jethro tool (however it's spelled) it doubles as a botle openner, or save the money you'd spend on useless knicknacks and go to the store and grab a $3 bottle oppenner.
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Originally Posted by dustinlikewhat
the surly tug nut is for track drops only.

if it's that much of a concern, get the surly jethro tool (however it's spelled) it doubles as a botle openner, or save the money you'd spend on useless knicknacks and go to the store and grab a $3 bottle oppenner.
kinda goofy, yes. anyway, I can just use my teeth like in the old days . . . ungh. One more cool note on the bike - it has the original triangular "platform" pedals (properly defined as per Sheldon).
pedals are Shimano sp-250

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It's not desecration, it's cause for celebration. Do it!

Relaxed geometry can be nice over rougher roads and on longer rides. it's a personal thing and you might like it.

The mini-leatherman tool has a bottle opener, along with scissors, a knife, and both phillips and flathead screwdrivers.
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Go for it. It is a Miyata, after all- it isn't like it possesses a huge inherent collector's value- you'd merely be giving it new life!

Just curious, but how relaxed is the geometry? Most of those bikes have standard geometry, albeit often with a bit taller head tube and a correspondingly taller seat tube/standover, but can be made to fit the same as a modern road bike with a bit of tweaking. Both of my fixed gear conversions have the same contact points as my main road bike, despite their disparate sizes (a 58, 61 & 57- all fit the same). Or do you have a touring frame? Any road bike will (or should) feel relaxed compared to a TT bike setup.

Frankly, I like longish rides- and can't imagine riding 40 miles or more on a track bike with a steep setup (or pista bars)- or climbing long hills on a track bike.

Forget the bottle opener. Have you tried beer in a box? Or even better, beer in a bag? It is the new hotness.
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Let the bike evolve to the next level. Fix that baby.

I have this Miyata http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2005...idKresge_4.htm
and it will make a great country road fixie for longer distance rides.
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Originally Posted by filtersweep
Go for it. It is a Miyata, after all- it isn't like it possesses a huge inherent collector's value- you'd merely be giving it new life!

Just curious, but how relaxed is the geometry? Most of those bikes have standard geometry, albeit often with a bit taller head tube and a correspondingly taller seat tube/standover, but can be made to fit the same as a modern road bike with a bit of tweaking. Both of my fixed gear conversions have the same contact points as my main road bike, despite their disparate sizes (a 58, 61 & 57- all fit the same). Or do you have a touring frame? Any road bike will (or should) feel relaxed compared to a TT bike setup.
Just what I needed to hear. And, yeah, the geometry is not like a touring bike - it just has noticeably longer chainstays and a slightly (maybe one degree?) more relaxed head tube - but I think this was pretty standard geometry for mid-80s road bikes. I am stripping this baby tonight.

The thing that makes this feel so right is that the one missing part on this find (in a dumpster actually) was the rear wheel. So if i didn't "fix" it, I would be buying a new rear wheel anyway. I will update on progress, but thanks for all the replies!
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does it have watter bottle cage bosses? you could use them to attach a bottle opener. some people think this is corny but i like it.
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Originally Posted by Slartibartfast
does it have watter bottle cage bosses? you could use them to attach a bottle opener. some people think this is corny but i like it.
Or you could get really crazy and cut the derailler hanger into one. It's been done. Frankly, I'm curious to know why there are so many fixed gear accessories with incorporated bottle openers. The reason I find it puzzling is that in order to use any of these accessories (for something other than opening a bottle) you need to be able to accomplish basic mechanical tasks such as turning a wrench, and (seriously) if you can adjust your chain tension, align your rear wheel, and secure its track nuts, then you can open a beer bottle with a lighter, a wrench, a spoon, another bottle, the curb your sitting on, etc.
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Originally Posted by dustinlikewhat
the surly tug nut is for track drops only.
Surly tugnut can be used on horizontal dropouts. Just think outside of the box!
The adjusting bolt goes against the back (closed) end of the dropout instead of the open end. It's placement looks exactly the same as it would on a bike with trackends.
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Originally Posted by techone
Surly tugnut can be used on horizontal dropouts. Just think outside of the box!
The adjusting bolt goes against the back (closed) end of the dropout instead of the open end. It's placement looks exactly the same as it would on a bike with trackends.
This is true - I used mine on horizontal drops until a taxi remodelled the frame for me...
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Originally Posted by Momentum
This is true - I used mine on horizontal drops until a taxi remodelled the frame for me...
Is the tuggnutt or similar devices really the best way to prevent the axle from slipping in the dropout (due to the MASSIVE force I produce, I am concerned that a simple, properly torqued axle nut may be insufficient . .. n )
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used the right way, lotsa cone wrenches can be used as bottle openers.
then again, Pedro's also makes what they call a Bottle Wrench.
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Go for it! It's not like it's a team miyata....
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Isn't this forum dedicated (partially) to the bastardisation of old road frames? Always remember to properly christen a bastardised road frame you have to drink heavily and pee on the back tire.
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