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Aventon masking dents to sell damaged goods?

Old 03-23-19, 11:17 AM
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Aventon masking dents to sell damaged goods?

No bueno.

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Old 03-23-19, 01:32 PM
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I saw this. It makes you think how common of a practice this might be...
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Old 03-23-19, 02:52 PM
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I would assume almost all bikes/cars/etc use a leveling primer, and frequently a first coat with a light filler for leveling.

Would one use filler to cover aluminum welds to give nice curved lines? Is that OK?

As far as the dent above... a bit excessive, but I'm not convinced the frame was actually a danger, rather than an annoyance.
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Yeah, it's a pretty common way to fix dents. The point is more that a brand new bike frame shouldn't be damaged and masked by the manufacturer.
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Old 03-23-19, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
Yeah, it's a pretty common way to fix dents. The point is more that a brand new bike frame shouldn't be damaged and masked by the manufacturer.
I wouldn't worry about filler being used to filet out welds (as long as it stuck, and one realized it was only aesthetic).

Or, perhaps covering some slight scuffs or manufacturing irregularities.

The question is what happened to that tube????

My guess is that somewhere the was a clamp that was adjusted too tight, and smashed a hundred frames. Then some managers had a powwow, and decided to fill and sell the frames as first quality frames.

Remnant pieces?

Now, a few things about aluminum manufacture. If the part is well built, it may well have been processed through multiple steps. Then finished with heat treating.

Hydroforming?

In fact, it could also be a hydroforming fault.

So, if the heat treating was post-dent, then there would be minimal structural loss from the dent.
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Old 03-25-19, 10:58 AM
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BUYER BEWARE.....The practice is wide spread in the auto industry.Damage during new car delivery is common at which time the vehicle is assessed by a body shop that the dealer uses for all body repairs.After the vehicle is fixed it is still sold as new.
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Mmmm bondo bodge-job. That's a pretty egregious amount nonetheless.

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BUYER BEWARE.....The practice is wide spread in the auto industry.Damage during new car delivery is common at which time the vehicle is assessed by a body shop that the dealer uses for all body repairs.After the vehicle is fixed it is still sold as new.
Yup!
I heard stories of anxious people beating the dealership's call to take delivery (they tracked the auto-carrier boat online) and found their new car having damage off the truck before the dealer could fix it.
You'll be surprised it's actually common for the shark fin antenna of cars getting pushed into their roof while on the truck and requiring the entire roof to be replaced.
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Old 03-28-19, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 7up View Post
BUYER BEWARE.....The practice is wide spread in the auto industry.Damage during new car delivery is common at which time the vehicle is assessed by a body shop that the dealer uses for all body repairs.After the vehicle is fixed it is still sold as new.
Trivia: The number one defect in new cars used to be bullet holes from people shooting at the cars as they are transported by train.

The industry developed metal covers. I was told by some engineers at Ford that they are pretty effective at reducing gunshot wounds by hiding the cars and sometimes deflecting the bullets.




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Aventon just needs to pivot and turn this into a marketing win. Speedvagen used to let you pay extra to get a frame with a scratch already on it, and here Aventon's giving you the first dent for free. Truly leading the industry in value for money.
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Well if it's on the internet it must be true.
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Originally Posted by ksryder View Post
Well if it's on the internet it must be true.
Ty for the valuable input.
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Old 03-28-19, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Trivia: The number one defect in new cars used to be bullet holes from people shooting at the cars as they are transported by train.


The industry developed metal covers. I was told by some engineers at Ford that they are pretty effective at reducing gunshot wounds by hiding the cars and sometimes deflecting the bullets.

Another fun story...


New cars get damaged quite frequently on the trains, or when loading/unloading them. The railroad doesn't even sweat this, because they have good insurance, and they make big money transporting the millions of cars that get through unscathed.


I had a distant relative (a great uncle or maybe third cousin--I'm not sure which) who told of a time in about the 1950s when he was contracted by Union Pacific to move some damaged cars. He owned a bulldozer and lived and worked in Bancroft, Idaho, a tiny town known mainly for its support of the railroad at the time. During the steam era, trains would stop there to fill up on water and coal or oil. That ended when diesel trains came along, and nowadays Bancroft is just a wide spot in the road, mostly supporting local farms. Anywhoo, a train carrying new cars got derailed near the town and spilled some of its cargo on and around the tracks. The U.P. was working frantically to clean up the mess, so other trains could pass through. They called my relative and asked him to come and push cars out of the way. When he arrived, he noticed some of the cars were not badly damaged, and he asked if they couldn't be saved. The answer was "We're losing [umpteen dollars] every hour this track is blocked. Insurance will pay for the cars. Get on your dozer and shove them all into the ditch, quickly please!" Somewhere near Bancroft, Idaho there might still be many wrecked new cars in a ditch alongside the tracks, although I imagine local scavengers picked over them long ago to salvage any usable parts.
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I don’t see a parallel between throwing some bondo on a cosmetic panel and covering up a potentially crimped load bearing tube on a bike. This is pretty shady regardless of however common it may or may not be in the industry and is a pretty strong argument to avoid alu frames or at least any fromthis company.
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Originally Posted by Bigpond View Post
I don’t see a parallel between throwing some bondo on a cosmetic panel and covering up a potentially crimped load bearing tube on a bike. This is pretty shady regardless of however common it may or may not be in the industry and is a pretty strong argument to avoid alu frames or at least any fromthis company.
This is basically my line of thinking. A dent in a car's bodywork doesn't create a potential structural failure point. It may or may not have compromised the structural integrity of the frame in this case, but how much do you trust a budget frame manufacturer to make that distinction?
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Old 03-29-19, 10:26 PM
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Aventon is trash. Even if you buy a bike or frameset fro. Them without a dent to begin with. Your frame will crack. I originally bought a mataro low about 3 years ago and it cracked. I filed a warranty claim and they sent me a new one. It cracked more than the previous frame. I filed again. This time they stopped producing the mataro low and told me that I had to pay $100 for them to send me a new cordoba frameset. (Which is what I ride now). I will never buy anything from them again. Nobody should have to go through this when buying a new frameset.
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I would feel compelled to correct it to "One fewer roadie"
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