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Converting a fixed gear to a single speed
Again apologies for what I’m sure is a very basic question. But how easy is it to convert a fixie into a single speed freewheel please?
I know it’s possible to get bikes that have flip flop hubs, but I’m talking now about a bike that’s a fixed gear only. What would be involved in such a conversation and how expensive, assuming standard easily available parts are used please? Is it a case of just changing the rear hub and installing brakes or am I being completely naive? Thanks |
Originally Posted by Yanto
(Post 23011806)
Again apologies for what I’m sure is a very basic question. But how easy is it to convert a fixie into a single speed freewheel please?
I know it’s possible to get bikes that have flip flop hubs, but I’m talking now about a bike that’s a fixed gear only. What would be involved in such a conversation and how expensive, assuming standard easily available parts are used please? Is it a case of just changing the rear hub and installing brakes or am I being completely naive? Thanks |
Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie
(Post 23012016)
It is extremely easy. You simply unscrew the lockring and fixed cog, and screw on a single freewheel. If it does not already have a front and rear brake, then you add them as well. You do not need to replace the rear hub or wheel.
Just looking at different options |
Originally Posted by Yanto
(Post 23012038)
Great, thanks. Sounds as though even I could manage that!
Just looking at different options https://www.retro-gression.com/cdn/s...g?v=1578066636 https://www.retro-gression.com/cdn/s...g?v=1595426839 https://www.universalcycles.com/imag...edium/1128.jpg |
Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie
(Post 23012064)
Just be aware that you will need special tools to remove the fixed cog. You will need a lockring tool to remove the lockring and a chainwhip to remove the cog itself. If you don't already have these, then it might be cheaper to have a bike shop do this for you. When installing brakes, you will need a cable and housing cutter.
https://www.retro-gression.com/cdn/s...g?v=1578066636 https://www.retro-gression.com/cdn/s...g?v=1595426839 https://www.universalcycles.com/imag...edium/1128.jpg |
Those tools are inexpensive and useful, cable cutters can get expensive, but you can effectively replace them with a Dremel tool and cutoff wheel if you already have that.
doing your own bike wrenching can be satisfying and rewarding. learning how to switch or modify components can add a lot of flexibility to your search for the “best” bike for your current needs. |
Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie
(Post 23012016)
It is extremely easy. You simply unscrew the lockring and fixed cog, and screw on a single freewheel. If it does not already have a front and rear brake, then you add them as well. You do not need to replace the rear hub or wheel.
Originally Posted by Yanto
(Post 23012038)
Great, thanks. Sounds as though even I could manage that!
Just looking at different options |
Another silly question. Two actually!
Firstly how easy is it to swap rear cogs on a single speed? Secondly, how expensive are replacement cogs? |
You need the right tools and then it’s easy
to take off the lock ring and change the cogs. cog prices vary, just google around for the size you need or ask around. I have one of these and another similar tool on another bike. They come in handy even at home. You will also need to buy or make a chain whip. https://www.retro-gression.com/colle...os-trixie-tool |
Originally Posted by Yanto
(Post 23056174)
Another silly question. Two actually!
Firstly how easy is it to swap rear cogs on a single speed? https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...e/FR-6_001.jpg https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...-freewheel.jpg If it's a fixed sprocket, the procedure described by @TejanoTrackie above in https://www.bikeforums.net/23012064-post4.html]post #4 is what you need. Secondly, how expensive are replacement cogs? Individual fixed sprockets come in a similar range of price points. Again, avoid the cheapest ones; they tend to be stamped from plate and have poorly formed threads which can damage your hub. You can expect to pay $20-$50US for a decent quality machined (not stamped) sprocket from Shimano, EAI, Miche, etc. |
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
(Post 23056736)
If it's a single freewheel (as opposed to a fixed sprocket) you'll need the tool to remove the freewheel:
https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...e/FR-6_001.jpg https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...-freewheel.jpg If it's a fixed sprocket, the procedure described by @TejanoTrackie above in https://www.bikeforums.net/23012064-post4.html]post #4 is what you need. Single freewheels can run anywhere from ~$10US to over $100US for a fancy one. I recommend avoiding the cheapest ones. Shimano single freewheels are reliable and affordable; I've had good luck with them. Individual fixed sprockets come in a similar range of price points. Again, avoid the cheapest ones; they tend to be stamped from plate and have poorly formed threads which can damage your hub. You can expect to pay $20-$50US for a decent quality machined (not stamped) sprocket from Shimano, EAI, Miche, etc. |
You'll need the right tools either way for swapping fixed cogs or freewheel assemblies; they both just spin on and off of your hub with the tool. You want a chain whip for both, and then a lockring tool for fixed, or, freewheels have different tools so you need the right tool for your brand of freewheel. The chain tension can be adjusted by moving the rear wheel forward or back, but if you're making a big change you may need to adjust the chain length to get it right, so another tool possibly needed for that.
You can also consider changing the front chainring. What kind of bike do you have? What are you looking to accomplish with changing the gearing? |
Originally Posted by Yanto
(Post 23057231)
presumably changing the cog means adjusting the chain tension?
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Originally Posted by jasoninohio
(Post 23057261)
You'll need the right tools either way for swapping fixed cogs or freewheel assemblies; they both just spin on and off of your hub with the tool. You want a chain whip for both, and then a lockring tool for fixed, or, freewheels have different tools so you need the right tool for your brand of freewheel. The chain tension can be adjusted by moving the rear wheel forward or back, but if you're making a big change you may need to adjust the chain length to get it right, so another tool possibly needed for that.
You can also consider changing the front chainring. What kind of bike do you have? What are you looking to accomplish with changing the gearing? As you can tell I’m new to this and know very little. I’m still looking for a single speed bike or possibly a fixed gear with flip flop hub that can then be used as a single speed. But I’ll probably be buying online, used and untried. I’m looking for a Fuji Feather or something similar. My riding is done around a lake route 2kms in length and on smooth tarmac. There are a couple of slight climbs (nothing much and definitely nothing steep). I do 30kms every morning just for fitness/weight loss. I currently have a Giant Escape RX hybrid and a Specialized MTB that I use in wet conditions. I find I only use 2 gears on either bike, so thought a Singlespeed might be a viable option for me, assuming I can find the right gear for my needs so that I can get up the rises and not spin out on the flat. I thought about a fixed gear but I’m not sure I can adjust to riding one! |
Originally Posted by jasoninohio
(Post 23057261)
You'll need the right tools either way for swapping fixed cogs or freewheel assemblies; they both just spin on and off of your hub with the tool. You want a chain whip for both
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Originally Posted by Yanto
(Post 23057276)
Thank you. I’ll have to build up a tool kit for my bikes for sure. I have the basics, Allen keys, tyre levers, pedal spanner etc but none of the specialist tools.
As you can tell I’m new to this and know very little. I’m still looking for a single speed bike or possibly a fixed gear with flip flop hub that can then be used as a single speed. But I’ll probably be buying online, used and untried. I’m looking for a Fuji Feather or something similar. My riding is done around a lake route 2kms in length and on smooth tarmac. There are a couple of slight climbs (nothing much and definitely nothing steep). I do 30kms every morning just for fitness/weight loss. I currently have a Giant Escape RX hybrid and a Specialized MTB that I use in wet conditions. I find I only use 2 gears on either bike, so thought a Singlespeed might be a viable option for me, assuming I can find the right gear for my needs so that I can get up the rises and not spin out on the flat. I thought about a fixed gear but I’m not sure I can adjust to riding one! |
Originally Posted by Yanto
(Post 23057276)
Thank you. I’ll have to build up a tool kit for my bikes for sure. I have the basics, Allen keys, tyre levers, pedal spanner etc but none of the specialist tools.
As you can tell I’m new to this and know very little. I’m still looking for a single speed bike or possibly a fixed gear with flip flop hub that can then be used as a single speed. But I’ll probably be buying online, used and untried. I’m looking for a Fuji Feather or something similar. My riding is done around a lake route 2kms in length and on smooth tarmac. There are a couple of slight climbs (nothing much and definitely nothing steep). I do 30kms every morning just for fitness/weight loss. I currently have a Giant Escape RX hybrid and a Specialized MTB that I use in wet conditions. I find I only use 2 gears on either bike, so thought a Singlespeed might be a viable option for me, assuming I can find the right gear for my needs so that I can get up the rises and not spin out on the flat. I thought about a fixed gear but I’m not sure I can adjust to riding one! As for the tools, especially with SS/Fixies, getting the tools can save you some hassles in the long term. Park is great, and probably most common for chain whip, lock ring tools, and freewheel removers. But you don't need to pay their price for everything. Their cable cutter is nice but over priced for what is a wire cable rope cutter, places like farm and tractor will sell you the same tool but half the cost. Mine is made in Japan and was half the price, just watch for the ones that are exactly like the pedros brand, the handle squeezes close enough to pinch the skin on your palm. |
Originally Posted by jasoninohio
(Post 23057323)
Ah right on; so you have a handle on how gear ratios work then; my easy answer for riding on flat and especially if you're already conditioned/in shape is that the stock ratios you see will be comfortable enough to get you started no problem; usually some mix of 44-48 up front and 16-18 rear; a 30km ride will tell you if you want a taller gear but you'll be able to ride with whatever the bike you like comes with most likely and go from there. I personally think a fuji feather would be great for long lake path rides, give it a shot!
As and when I find one I’ll be able to see if I need to change anything The Fuji Feather is one model I’ve seen in groups being used here. Affordable and seems decent value. The roads I ride are all smooth tarmac twin lane. So easy to ride |
Originally Posted by Russ Roth
(Post 23057331)
Most singlespeeds aren't actually sold as fixies, things like the feather can be a slight exception in that it comes fixed gear, but is still sold with a front brake at least and possibly both brakes, has brake compatible rims and most come with a flip flop hub. Only dedicated track bikes come with fixie only hubs and no brake tracks or brake mounting holes. The felt tk2 for example, which was a particularly common track bike in the 1700-2000 dollar range, came with flip flop hub, rim brake style rims, and brake mounting holes front and rear. So it shouldn't be hard to find something.
As for the tools, especially with SS/Fixies, getting the tools can save you some hassles in the long term. Park is great, and probably most common for chain whip, lock ring tools, and freewheel removers. But you don't need to pay their price for everything. Their cable cutter is nice but over priced for what is a wire cable rope cutter, places like farm and tractor will sell you the same tool but half the cost. Mine is made in Japan and was half the price, just watch for the ones that are exactly like the pedros brand, the handle squeezes close enough to pinch the skin on your palm. I’m going to go back to the large bike shop I found in our nearest city to see what tools/spares (cogs)they stock. But I’m doubting it will be any of the brands you mentioned, so just have to find similar quality |
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