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Old 10-26-05, 08:01 PM
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So my favorite local bike shiop has to be Velo Bike Shop on 11th & broadway here in seattle, wa..I have been there everyday for the pas 7 days and they have just been SUPER helpful anf friendly and even tell me EXACTLY what to do to install something...have installed stuff for me FREE!! also...just an awesome group of guys....

BUT tHere is another bike shop that I went to 3 weeks ago on boat street (when I started to build my fixie) called Recycle cycles...I talked to a guy named Skip there who totally screwed me over. I didn't know anything about tires and such and he gave me these rubber rim covers and also told me that they don't make long reach presta valve tubes that are threaded...not that they didn't carry them but that there are None made that long....so I bought the non threaded type and went to a different store and found out that they do make threaded kind...plus because of those rubber rim covers that he gave me (he knew I had velocity double walled rims)...I've popped four tubes!! thinking all this time it was my fault. I don't know if these are just small things...but it makes me mad that he lied to me because he knew I didn't know anything about what I was looking for...especially because they have a horrible return policy (no returns just store credit)....I WOULD never go there again....I'm just so pissed off!! When I went back to get store credit for the tubes he was like "oh woops I didn't know..where did you find them???"....
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rim covers?
what are those?
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Old 10-26-05, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by griffin_
rim covers?
what are those?

rim strips
They keep your tube from poking into the spoke holes.
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But those prevent flats...how did they cause 4 pops?
I'm confused.
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oh
i've never heard of them called that
how are they to blame for flats?
aren't they supposed to protect you from flats?
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Old 10-26-05, 08:17 PM
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the thing is, is that he gave me rubber ones made for single walled rims...mine are double walled and I told him..so there wasn't enough pressure resistance and it made the tubes pop inside and made nipples on the tubes where the spoke holes on the rims are.....and yes...sorry rim strips....
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Originally Posted by seaden
the thing is, is that he give me rubber ones made for single walled rims...mine are double walled and I told him
Ah, I see.
I wasn't aware different matierials were for different styles of rim.
I've always just used cloth ones.
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i'm still confused. you need different rim strips for different types of rims? i thought it was pretty much one size fits all. why do double walled need different strips?

i also thought people prefered non-threaded stems since they dont destroy the pump heads.
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what happend to [165]'s explanation?
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Small things. Bike shop employees are people too, they have gaps in their know-how. Unfortunately, the buying public expects them to be the all-knowing authority, and many believe the party line. I wouldn't sweat it.

edit: oh, and rim strips suck. period.

(the reason you'd care about double vs. single walled is that in a single wall configuration, the strip just has to keep the nipple from rupturing the tube while in a double walled setup, the strip needs to keep the tube pressure from forcing the tube into the hole and rupturing.)

Me, I likes vinyl tape because I always forget to buy Velox and at this point I've stopped caring. Electrical tape has done me just right for thousands of miles.
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I'm of the opinion that cloth is way better than rubber for double-walled rims. It stays in place (side-to-side) and doesn't get pushed down into the recesses in the outer wall. The nipples in a single-wall rim actually help hold that rubber strip in place but in a double-wall they can slide around easily.
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Old 10-26-05, 08:33 PM
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You know I went to recycled when I was in seattle and had a great experience with them. I just bullsh1ted and bought a shirt but they seemed to know what was going on. However yours is one of the multiple complaints about them that I've heard, so maybe I just caught them on a good day
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Originally Posted by bostontrevor
Small things. Bike shop employees are people too, they have gaps in their know-how. Unfortunately, the buying public expects them to be the all-knowing authority, and many believe the party line.
I know they are people...but this guy was like.."yeah I have that same set up too...here you need this and this and this..."....if you hear a guy saying that at a bikeshop...you think he knows what he's saying...maybe he picks someone everyday to **** with and that day it was me....
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your stores of seattle both scare and inspire me into doing exactly that: getting into trouble by moving to seattle and mucking around with a frame.

carry on, nothing to see here ...
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an LBS told me i wasnt going to find track pedals/metal clips anywhere unless i have a good friend in france, because "they definatly dont make those anymore"
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I've had some ****ty experiences with recycled; I was assured three diffrent times on the phone that some iro hubs were in stock, and every time it turned out that the person on the phone didn't know what they were talking about. They subsequently ****ed-up my special order on the same ****ing hubs. I'm still irritated.

They are, however, the only place I know of that stocks sherbert-orange deda bar tape, so I keep going back. I found a great deal on a mtn bike there. Also, their boneyard has the occasional gem.

They have massive customer volume due to their location, and due to the volume, I suspect they're distraced. or dont care. or something. I just take the free coffe and dont expect prompt service.

Bikeworks has the great staff and the cheapest used bikes, Aaron's has much weird commuter stuff (like the xtracycle), nitto, and fixie components, Elliott Bay and Velo are both convieniently located, and both have good stock, Gregg's has huge stock, and Counterbalance seems to be geared more toward the messenger crowd.
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i only frequent recycled when i need to sort through their bins. i don't deal with the "people" there.

i'll only deal with "people" at montlake--they're the only "people" i've bothered to get to know. when you know "people," doors open. *creeeaaak*
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although they (recycled) do have "my" bike hangiing from the ceiling (a mid-70s raleigh track). cool.
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Anyone ever go to that place in Fremont, Chicken something? Or was it something to do with frogs? Dammit, stupid brain. They have Nitto stuff, (I got some Moustaches there), very small but good quality, worth a look if you can find it (a block or two towards the canal from whatever street the statue of Lenin is on, maybe ten blocks away from the 'Centre of the Universe' sign, I think).

And yeah, the guys in Recycled don't always know everything, but they're probably all UW students trying to pay their tuition. But they have such a good boneyard it's worth going there at every opportunity IMHO (which for me is about once every two years ).

Rule of thumb, always go to your favourite shop first, whatever you're looking for (or at least don't buy until you've asked them). If you keep going back to the same shop and build a relationship with them they'll be more likely to go out of their way for you.
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i use eletrical tape as rim tape...works good, and is lighter that the cloth ones.
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Originally Posted by thesweaterkid
i use eletrical tape as rim tape...works good, and is lighter that the cloth ones.
Cool. I thought I was the only one.
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electrical tape is definately the **** for rimstrips....
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Originally Posted by thesweaterkid
i use eletrical tape as rim tape...works good, and is lighter that the cloth ones.

Actually, a tire will hold about 300 PSI, the cloth tape will hold almost the same, and rims ususally deform/tires blow off at about 180 PSI. Electrical tape would probably hold only marginally better than rubber rim-strips, which is probably somewhere in the 85-90psi range.

One of my co-workers runs the tires on his recumbent at 160.
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not so much about liars, but there's a shop here in vancouver called la bicicletta, which is like a major roadie shop, but they're not bad for little stuff like seatpost bolts and quill stem parts and the like. anyhow, i just recently bent the fork on my work bike and i went in there last saturday to see what they had price-wise for forks. so i went in and asked what they had (cause they didn't have any on display). so this one girl that works there asked me if i wanted carbon and i was like no, that's cool, i just want something decent that's not gonna cost me an arm and a leg. then she asked if i needed threaded or non and i told her that i didn't care cause i needed a new headset anyways. so then this other dude butts in and starts asking what size my headtube is. well, sheeeit, i didn't measure that shiit. so i'm like i dunno, i got a 56 cm track frame. he's like, well, we need to know what size cause if you need a threaded fork, there's different amounts of threads. i'm just, dude, i don't care if the fork is threaded or not. just show me something with a long steerer tube. so he kinda grudgingly got up and started making his way to the back and i said, you know what? i'm in a rush, don't worry about it and took off. ****ing roadies and they goddam measurments.

so then i went to the other roadie store, campione, and talked to this dutch dude who was 5 times national 'drome champ and he goes to the back and pulls out this steel fork from a basso and showed it to me and said this should probably work, after i told him i was riding a 56. he was so much more accomodating and just pleasant to deal with. he'd said he'd sell it to me for 50 bucks, but i'd have to come to him for the deal cause it was his fork.

in the end i just went to my buddy's shop and went throught the catalogues and found something i liked, but i think i'm done with la bicicletta. they have a shiitty attitude there.

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ps- the head tube is 15.5 cms. (that's 6 inches for you yanks)
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