ok..
surly/open pro- $153
formula/deep v- $140 (iro)

i'm kinda torn between which i should get. keep in mind this is just for the rear wheel and it's only intended to be used on the street so which do you think would be the most durable. i have used formula hubs before and was pleased but i've had no experience with surly hubs. also, i just ordered an EAI cog and i remember hearing a while ago that there were some issues with threading and surly hubs/cogs as far as compatibility with other companies products..has this been worked out?

again!!?? (damn kids, mumble mumble, get off my lawn, mumble)

iro, tony rocks.

I think it all boils down to whether you like a deep vee or open pro rim. The hubs are essentially the same for comparision purposes.

Both rims are durable, so I guess it is just the aesthetics of one rim over the other.

I'd go IRO/open pro, but that's me.

when i was trying to decide between aeroheads and deep-v's i came across a lot of anecdotal evidence supporting the deep-v's ability to take a lot of street riding abuse.

plus the formula/deep v will be way sexier than the surly/open pro.

plus iro rocks.

sorry i don't remember these two specifically being compared. i'll probably go with the iro just to support iro.

... unless you don't think so.

I'm with BF.

The DeepV is tougher with a less compliant ride. Tony is a good guy as well.

I ride Surly/OP (DT Revs in front and 2.0 straight-gauge) and I've had a little trouble keeping them true. Nothing major, just frequent little wobbles. FWIW, I''m thinking of going with a stronger, heavier rim for my up-coming build to avoid the hassle.

The DeepV or CXP33 will stay straight and round. Usually when I see one that is knocked out of true,it was because of a bad crash or a car contact.

Plus the cxp33 is a bit cheaper than the open pro and lighter than the deep v

really? I thought the cxp's were more. the cxp 22 should be cheaper but the 33's are usually more.

what about the aerohead? those seem closer in profile to a cxp rim, and usually run about $45 US and are about the same or lighter than an Open Pro I thinks.

The 33 is a little more than an OpenPro. The Aerohead is great for the money, but they don't build up as clean, no eyelets. The profile of the Aerohead is kinda aero but nowhere as deep as a 33

ok so for an all black (or close there to) rim, open pro ceramic or non-machined deep v?

My roommate killed his open pro ceramic in about two months of street riding. He wacked it out of true constantly. He wasn't a big chap, it wasn't the build either but he was just rubbish at avoiding pot-holes and the like. His Deep V is still running pretty true after a year or so of riding SF streets.

If you're riding urban then Deep V or CXP 33, otherwise you will need to whip out that truing stand more than you'd like.

i've been beating the crap out of an aerohead, daily, since june. bad streets, potholes, a crash here and there, and a few less-than-gainly emergency curb hops. still true. i'm surprised./

when it comes down to an either/or, or a few bucks, go with the IRO. you'll be supporting "one of us," know what i mean?

the surly hubs match my DFL t-shirt

I run Open Pros on Ultegra hubs on my CX bike, without a single truing needed after 15 hard races and a couple hundred off-road miles. If that's not a testament to the durability of those rims, I don't know what is. I also use the same combination on the street as training wheels.

But Deep Vs are pretty slick as well. You know where I stand.

i have strong opinions about why deep-vs are overrated. but instead of getting into those reasons ill just say that cxp33s are lighter weight, double eyeletted, and has a welded seam, so hands down a better rim.

but unfortunately for hipsters, you cant get them im unmachined colors.