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aminadab 12-14-05 06:47 PM

Advice for a New Rider
 
Hi, I'm glad to have found this place, it looks great. I just wanted to introduce myself and appeal to the collective wisdom of the group regarding my first single speed bike. I'm a graduate student, studying comparative literature.

I'm in love with steel and don't think I'll ever ride anything else. I'm looking at a Jonny Cycles, Richard Sachs, Kirk and Vanilla frameset. Any opinions on these guys or other framemaker suggestions is greatly welcomed. I'm new, so tell me anything. I do have a couple of general questions. I've never ridden a ss before, but from what I hear, I think I'll like it alot. Since I won't be ridding it on an actual track, it seems that a "street" geometry is the way to go. What are the essential differences between "track" and "street"? Also, I ride a 55cm now, do people usually ride a "bigger" frame with track bikes? I'll end up ridding it to school and I imagine on the weekends, to the coffee shop, etc. Since I'm going with a custom frameset, I don't want to spend too much on comps. What do you guys think about the campy record pista -- is this overkill for a street bike? I have campy on my road bike and have really grown to love the stuff. Also, do mavic open pros to the job on something like this? Or, should I be looking into something else? Ok, I think that's enought. Any advice is most helpful. Thanks very much.

genericbikedude 12-14-05 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by aminadab
Since I won't be ridding it on an actual track, it seems that a "street" geometry is the way to go.


I dunno, I really like track geometry for city. Quicker--good for dodging pedestrians and running from cops. It doesn't have to be painful if you get a stem with some rise and a comfy saddle.

TN! 12-14-05 07:10 PM

wow youre looking to spend the big bucks with those frames

heebro 12-14-05 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by TN!
wow youre looking to spend the big bucks with those frames


seriously. get something cheap to start off, learn how to ride it. when you break the cheapo part(s) then you can upgrade and maybe learn something in the process. Or possibly have some fun.

benadrian 12-14-05 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by genericbikedude
Quicker--good for dodging pedestrians and running from cops.

Are you really running from cops? What was the scenario?

I haven't done that since my BMX days, and they were usually security guards, and we were doing tricks off of shopping carts.

Oh, playing Vice City a while ago I ran from cops.

Cheers!

Ben Adrian

dolface 12-14-05 07:56 PM

sach's waiting list is about 4 years, sacha (vanilla) is a year or so(?), i think johnny is about 6 - 8 months, don't know what kirk's is.

most/many people ride 1cm - 2cm smaller on track bikes, open pros will do you fine.

i'd really suggest buying a used or stock frame (look at kogswell and iro) first, riding it a bunch, and figuring out what you like/don't like about it before spending a lot of money on a custom frame.

chicagoamdream 12-14-05 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by dolface
sach's waiting list is about 4 years, sacha (vanilla) is a year or so(?), i think johnny is about 6 - 8 months, don't know what kirk's is.

most/many people ride 1cm - 2cm smaller on track bikes, open pros will do you fine.

i'd really suggest buying a used or stock frame (look at kogswell and iro) first, riding it a bunch, and figuring out what you like/don't like about it before spending a lot of money on a custom frame.

Obviously, with the frames you mentioned, you've got a fair amount of time between getting on the list and spec'ing it out, and then actually receiving it. Definitely, pick up a used frame, build that up, and you'll know what you like and what you don't when the time comes for custom. I bet you won't want to get rid of it, whatever it is, but you're not going to lose much money if you decide to sell it in a year.

And then, as you adjust your component inventory, you'll have stuff to put on your new frame! Perfect.

Also: you're going to spend a lot on your components. Embrace it.

pitboss 12-14-05 08:57 PM

people, let us not forget our resident framist: Don Walker. He is a very capable frame fabricator and can weld 'til the cows come home.

teiaperigosa 12-14-05 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by aminadab
Since I'm going with a custom frameset, I don't want to spend too much on comps.

I'd rather get a dumpster fix and put nice components on it, then get a custom frame, and worry about spending too much on them...
but then again...it doesn't look like you're gonna skimp on the components anyways

baxtefer 12-14-05 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by [165]
people, let us not forget our resident framist: Don Walker. He is a very capable frame fabricator and can weld 'til the cows come home.

DW don't weld

jim-bob 12-15-05 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by teiaperigosa
I'd rather get a dumpster fix and put nice components on it

You can put all the frosting you want on that turd, it won't turn into a wedding cake.

teiaperigosa 12-15-05 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by jim-bob
You can put all the frosting you want on that turd, it won't turn into a wedding cake.

so, you would rather get a dope ass frame and fuk it up with ****ty components because you don't want to spend too much?

good components you can swap in and out of ****ty frames...good frames you don't fuk up with ****ty **** on it

huhenio 12-15-05 02:14 AM

Convert an old 10 speed and wait another year.

It will set you back @200 . Get a feel for it, save some money, and then get something nice custom made.

That is what I am doing.

jim-bob 12-15-05 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by teiaperigosa
so, you would rather get a dope ass frame and fuk it up with ****ty components because you don't want to spend too much?

good components you can swap in and out of ****ty frames...good frames you don't fuk up with ****ty **** on it

Yeah, I would, in a second. A nice frame will ride like a nice frame, no matter what you hang on it. A mediocre frame is never going to rise about its mediocrity, no matter how many expensive parts you throw at it.

HereNT 12-15-05 02:31 AM


Originally Posted by teiaperigosa
so, you would rather get a dope ass frame and fuk it up with ****ty components because you don't want to spend too much?

good components you can swap in and out of ****ty frames...good frames you don't fuk up with ****ty **** on it

Agreed. Also, SS/Fix riding I think ends up with different tastes as far as fit. I know that fix does, and I'd think that SS would have the same to a lesser extent. I'd think it's pretty much insane to put a custom frame as a first frame for someone converting. OP - find some cheap frame and try it. You might even find out that you :gasp: DON'T LIKE IT. Then your stuck out all that money for a custom frame that you now don't need or want. Make sure that you know what you are going into WAY before you start building a custom frame for a style of riding that you haven't tried.

genericbikedude 12-15-05 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by jim-bob
You can put all the frosting you want on that turd, it won't turn into a wedding cake.

Or maybe a wedding cake for some really gross people.

mattface 12-15-05 07:52 AM

Doesn't anyone else smell a troll?

In my best faux innocent voice: "Hi I'm new here, but I think I'd like to try this fixie thing, but I don't really know anything about it so I was thinking of buying one of the most popular custom frames. I don't want to spend too too much on components though do you think C Record would be ok? Because I suppose I could spring for something better if C record really won't cut it. Oh and did I mention I'm a lit major?"

Just in case this was a serious post, and in the unlikely event I'm being an ******* (I know shocking isn't it) here's my serious answer to this question: No you don't need to spend 5 grand on a bike to commute to school and ride to the coffee shop on weekends, but if you wanna go ahead. As some stated earlier $200 wil get you to school and back just fine, or (somebody had to say it) buy an IRO and give it to some less fortunate rider when your done with it, but if you've got the dough to blow and you really want to then by all means spend a few grand and build something that would make the local racers and most of the people on this board envious.

MKRG 12-15-05 08:26 AM

I thought I smelled something too.
I think NJS cert would be good for coffee runs.

Matthew A Brown 12-15-05 08:48 AM

Hello Quickbeam.


Or just get an IRO. Depends on whether you want a zippy lil monster or a more "handsome"/"future retiree" machine.

Mueslix 12-15-05 01:36 PM

Yeah, I question how the average grad student would pay for this. Especially one in the liberal arts.

delay 12-15-05 01:45 PM

From personal experience I could not afford that on a graduate student stipend. Of course then again....

....God only knows how much spare change I would have laying around if I didn't smoke and drink. I hate to think of a life without booze, but it probably amounts to nearly a custom frame a year.

Otherwise, I was say that since the OPer already has a campy road bike, he knows what its like to drop a couple grand on a bike.

That said, I think I probably smell trust fund more than troll.

chicagoamdream 12-15-05 01:54 PM

At this rate, he's going to :gasp: find out he doesn't like this forum! Whether he's got a trust fund or worked for ten years before going to grad school, let's try to be constructive. Geez.

delay 12-15-05 02:26 PM

Hey, there is nothing wrong with trust funds. I really wish that I had one.

Matthew A Brown 12-15-05 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Mueslix
Yeah, I question how the average grad student would pay for this. Especially one in the liberal arts.

Handjobs.

jhnmrk 12-15-05 02:56 PM

and there's nothing wrong with a degree in comparative literature either... (ahem)


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