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whats so special about njs?

Old 01-06-06, 11:54 AM
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whats so special about njs?

ive got this question thats been bugging me for the last ten minutes(short attention span).

what makes frames/components njs certified(other than just being certified)? i mostly started thinking about the frames and what differences there are to normal track frames and then thought about the components. also, is that certification for keirin racing or just japanese track racing?
i really dont know a whole lot about full on track racing, and i thought i should probaly post this in the track forum, but thought it would be better to ask yous guys since all you hipsters go nuts over njs certification
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Its complicated, but mainly involves the keirin bigwigs wanting to keep keirin parts strictly japanese. There was a short while that Campy worked really hard to get some stuff NJS certified but it wasn't worth it to them in the long run. It essentially means that they are strong, precise, japanese and have been certified by some committee and then priced accordingly.
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NJS Certification is required for Keirin racing.
It really just comes down to higher quality parts and an undeniable "cool" factor.
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NJS certification, to my understanding, is also a way of equalizing the gear used in keirin racing, to ensure quality, and to keep it traditional, avoiding tech races-- keeping it strictly about the racer, not about the latest, fastest, lightest gear.

why do people love it so much? fetishization of a quality indicator.
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Phoenix tears are mixed into the metal while it's still molten. That's what makes those parts so strong.
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Originally Posted by EnLaCalle
Phoenix tears are mixed into the metal while it's still molten. That's what makes those parts so strong.
then why arn't D&D players all over these bikes.
i could just see one of them throughing pellets are a guy in a giant dragon costume yelling, "THUNDERBOLT, THUNDERBOLT"
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Originally Posted by hyperRevue
NJS Certification is required for Keirin racing.
It really just comes down to higher quality parts and an undeniable "cool" factor.
wouldn't that be "geek" factor?
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They're forged by hobbits in the mountains of Japan.
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Originally Posted by Shiznaz
Its complicated, but mainly involves the keirin bigwigs wanting to keep keirin parts strictly japanese. There was a short while that Campy worked really hard to get some stuff NJS certified but it wasn't worth it to them in the long run. It essentially means that they are strong, precise, japanese and have been certified by some committee and then priced accordingly.

so, in a nutshell, it comes down to how they want to preserve their heritage(ie theyre pretty strick on immigrant invading their culture, from what i have heard)?

is the same quality found in bikes outside of njs certification?
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Originally Posted by Ira in Chi
wouldn't that be "geek" factor?
You say toMAto I say toMAHto.

It doesn't hurt that NJS frames are usually beautiful.
I rock NJS chain tensioners. That's right. You're all jealous.
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If all your parts are NJS, the entire bike becomes faster...even if it is heavy as balls.
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Originally Posted by hyperRevue
I rock NJS chain tensioners. That's right. You're all jealous.
do they have bottle openers?
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Originally Posted by theritor
what makes frames/components njs certified(other than just being certified)?
all of the salary men standing at betting windows squandering their fortunes on the keirin ponies--they demand equivalence of equipment on the tracks so that at least they can rest assured that the fortune they just lost could be attributed to picking the wrong rider and not to the rider picking the wrong component.

yakuza underlings are then hired accordingly to hunt down the racers who've failed the salary men. the yakuzas do interesting things with chainrings and seatposts and then brand large NJS tattoos on the backs of their victims.

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NJS is actually a secret society of tiny asian men that runs the world by controlling the hipsters of the world with bike. The said hipsters will grow up and infiltrate the corporate elites and report to NJS. Every NJS component is actually a spying device and can be remotely triggered to explode when the hipster riding it catches on to the secret plot.

this thread is a total troll but who cares...
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
NJS certification, to my understanding, is also a way of equalizing the gear used in keirin racing, to ensure quality, and to keep it traditional, avoiding tech races-- keeping it strictly about the racer, not about the latest, fastest, lightest gear.
i believe this is the closest explanation. keirin racing in japan is a HUGE gambling event - the NJS certification is to ensure that each rider wins or loses on his owns merits, not on the quality of the bicycle. with the massive amounts of money at stake, the betting public is assured that all the riders will be riding comparable machines.

the riders themselves go to 'keirin school' to learn many things, one of which is maintenence of their bike. this ensures that no mechanic can be paid off, and that the rider bears sole responsibility for his performance.

as to why people fetishize it...? probably because it's made to an extremely high level of quality. i agree that the NJS stamp has acquired a cult status - but not without good reason.
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Originally Posted by wangster
this thread is a total troll but who cares...
Nothing inflammatory here.
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Originally Posted by $0.00/Gal
They're forged by hobbits in the mountains of Japan.
And those hobbits have the NJSsmithing proficiency, which cost 4 proficiency points.

EDIT: Hobbits don't live in mountains, loser. Everyone knows that dwarves and gnomes live inside mountains, especially the svirfneblin.
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Originally Posted by theritor
do they have bottle openers?
No way man, no need.
Beer bottles just pop open in the presence of NJS parts.
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Originally Posted by FixednotBroken
i believe this is the closest explanation.
sweet. what do i win, fnb?
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Am I the only one that sees "NJS" and says "ninjas" inside my head?
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I say "40 midgets"
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Originally Posted by wangster
this thread is a total troll but who cares...
its only trollish if youre a hipster!
but really, i am sincerely interested in the matter. and to continue, what sort of tubeset is used and are there equivilent or better frames out there?
and besides, i dont se real trolls replying in their own threads
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I just installed a brand new set of NJS Nitto B123 handlebars on my bike the other day. They look cool but i think the weight of my bike just doubled, it feels way heavy in the front, I hate it. I hate heavy components. By the way if anyone wants them let me know i'll sell them today!
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
sweet. what do i win, fnb?
a cuddle session with Msngr.
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Originally Posted by rodny71
I just installed a brand new set of NJS Nitto B123 handlebars on my bike the other day. They look cool but i think the weight of my bike just doubled, it feels way heavy in the front, I hate it. I hate heavy components. By the way if anyone wants them let me know i'll sell them today!
yeah, those things are heavy, and stiff as hell. i much prefer the aluminum ones. it's worth the extra price imho
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