a) It has far less effect on slippery slippery lycra shorts.
b) Pimpin.
c) All my saddles are perf and while I would tend to agree that it should be really tough on my pants, it doesn't seem to be even though I have exactly two pairs of pants that I wear on the bike (one pair of shorts, one pair of short pants).

I remember seeing "urban cycling pants" on some website somewhere (they weren't puma's). Handmade by someone, they were standard cargo shants with a heavy lycra crotch. For the life of me I can't seem to find them now. Has anyone else seen these?

Nevermind, google gave me the answer. Under the Weather makes them.

Ben Davis are union-made? You sure about that? Score one for them, if true.

For full effect, you have to wear them with a red sequin g-string.

man, those under-the-weather pants are fugly. if you want water-proof, just get the pants off nashbar and put them over your jeans.

these things are always in flux, but last i checked, their whole line was union made.

carhartt used to offer lots of union made products, but now i think ONLY the overalls are available union made, and even very few of those.

i'm proud to own a pair. (even got married in them, not that you care)

Fugly?!?!?! They're fantastic! Hands down the most comfortable pants for riding I have ever had. I will be buried in them.

are there any britches out there for the skinnier folks? the ben davis all cotton ones only come in size 30 smallest. anybody maks any say 28's?

Tough Skins!
http://www.searsarchives.com/brands/...S2Jeans_96.jpg

lmao

I bought these pants made by a company called "Red Kap" for 7 dollars. They were from a used work clothing store and they have lasted me a little over 4 years with no problems. You can still buy them online for around 12 dollars a pop. Oh and they look like Dickies, but are a little bit tighter.