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Why do you like track drops...?

Old 01-25-06, 02:15 PM
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Why do you like track drops...?

On the street?

On monday, I was at the bike shop asking about getting a set of road wheels built and noticed that he had a set of track drops laying on a counter discarded- presumably from a bianchi pista. I got to thinking that I had never used them, was wondering what they were like, and am considering racing on the track next season. So, I asked him if he would let them go cheap. The result was me riding around on drops for the last two days.

I honestly can't figure out why you guys like them. Perhaps there is just an adjustment period I don't know.

First off, let me say that I do like being able to get down in the drops. That was something I always missed on my bullhorns. However that advantage seems to pale in comparison to:

1. I can't find out where to get leverage when accelarating.
2. I can't find a spot that is very stable in crosswinds ect.
3. I can't find a single hand position that is really comfortable other than the drops.

So really then, why do you like them in any context other than on the track? Or, do all of you just ride on the drops all the time?
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it took some getting used to but got accelerating i would grip the shoulders--not unlike holding the hoods of levers/brifters. more casual riding, i would ride the flats, which, due to the trackness of the drops (their curving forward at the flats), are the flattest near the stem (hence the occasional snarky comment about hipsters holding b-123's near the stem).

i think for a lot of people track drops make sense on track bikes because of the forearm clearance that the early curve into the drop affords.

while i liked them a lot, especially the aesthetic (yes, the aesthetic), my small upper body and short arms made the depth of the drops a little inconvenient. either the drops were a wee bit too low or the flats were a wee bit too high. alas.

then again i change my bars more often than i change my pants. so.
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Some of us probably like them because they look...hmmm, at the risk of sounding like a hipster, cool. I don't find them any less comfortable than regular road drops except there is one less hand position - no hoods. If I need acceleration or power then I'm in the drops. On the "shoulders" as mentioned by q-punk is where I'll be on a gentle, deliberate climb or when just poking around. And then there's the bar tops. I usually ride 20-30 miles on my track bike so I end up changing positions often anyway. Use them awhile and if you can't get used to them then no biggie since you got 'em on the cheap.
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Originally Posted by dabern
Use them awhile and if you can't get used to them then no biggie since you got 'em on the cheap.
yeah, that was kind of my plan. I pretty much just bought them to race, but figured I would give them a try around town.

The reason I find them less comfortable than road drops is that there are far fewer positions for my hands on the tops. The positions I do find put my hands at odd angles and make them ache after a little while. I don't give up easily though. I will probably ride them for a week or two before making any firm descision.
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I have tried a few sets of track handlebars on a few bikes, and I've come to the conclusion that they work well for me in their intended application, namely hammering out kilos on the track, but that for the street, or for longer (10+ mile) rides, they sort of suck.
I tended to wind up holding them by the stem, thus making it look as if I was riding a pogo stick, because my hands slid off the curve, and the drops were really really low.
For messengering, they were garbage, totally easier to balance boxes on bullhorns. They do look all swoopy and pretty, though.
I use Salsa Short 'n' Shallows on my track bike...
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when i'm not in the drops, which i never am on the street, or very rarely, i'm right there in the middle, hands against the stem. for some unknown reason i sometimes find my right thumb resting on the allen key hole of my stem. this is perfectly comfortable to me when tooling around in the city, and also leaves my head nice and high, which is useful.

i have had risers in the past, which were fun but limiting, and i've never had bullhorns, because i don't care for how they look. but my track drops are there because my bike is a track bike, and i do ride it on the track, and i can't be bothered to have two different stem/bar set-ups.

and they look cool.
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Because half-wrapped bullhorns would look ridiculous.
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I'm so used to holding the brake hoods of my road bike that i don't know if i'll ever get used to track drops. I'm thinking of going with this set up, i think this guy has the right idea for a daily commuter.
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When I first started riding fixed, I was bullhorns all the way. I also loved them aesthetically. I just couldn't get used to drops when I had a road bike. When I started going to the track last year I brought a set of Deda track drops I had and switched them out for the track. Eventually, I got lazy with switching them out and as my body adapted to being low in the drops and I started to play around with position, I got used to them.

That said, I had all the issues you describe when I first started riding track drops in the street. It was hard to accelerate, hard to get good leverage, slippage, etc.

But after a while, it all just clicked -- my body had adapted to the style. Riding at the track helped immensely, particularly sprints which gave me that "take-off" leverage I needed to get comfy from a stop.

On a regular day, I spend most of the time up by the stem, some of it on the shoulders and maybe about 10% in the drops. If I'm riding-riding or doing my loops in the morning, I'm in the drops specifically to keep that flexibility and position remembered by my body.

Now, I find that I love drops as much as I used to love bullhorns and now I can't stand the look of bullhorns too much (especially on a track frame).
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I am int he drops to fight the windy city and if not in the drops the shoulders usually do me pretty well
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because they are aesthetically pleasing.
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Originally Posted by chicagoamdream
Because half-wrapped bullhorns would look ridiculous.
Christ, I really don't know what I am doing. My drops are entirely wrapped.
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I was really hoping that someone would post a picture of half-wrapped bullhorns. Or, even better, keirin grips on bullhorns. I might have to try that.

My drops are entirely wrapped.
I would probably do the same if I had anything other than chrome B123s.
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i have bullhorns... but i have a conversion... if i had a nice, true track bike, i don't think it would be right to not have it set up the way it was supposed to be. imagine a 3rensho or gan well track bike with bullhorns... yuck...
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Originally Posted by wearyourtruth
i have bullhorns... but i have a conversion... if i had a nice, true track bike, i don't think it would be right to not have it set up the way it was supposed to be. imagine a 3rensho or gan well track bike with bullhorns... yuck...
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Originally Posted by wearyourtruth
if i had a nice, true track bike, i don't think it would be right to not have it set up the way it was supposed to be. imagine a 3rensho or gan well track bike with bullhorns... yuck...
If you do it right, it can look good on any track bike:



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Originally Posted by Jose R
If you do it right, it can look good on any track bike
Agreed there. I think on a classic frame, drops look better. But on a high-end zootin' frame, those bullhorns look great. I think a more "techy" looking frame lends itself to that aesthetic.
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Originally Posted by Jose R
If you do it right, it can look good on any track bike:
Originally Posted by delay
On the street?
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I think on a classic frame, drops look better. But on a high-end zootin' frame, those bullhorns look great.
I know I live in podunk NC, but I haven't seen many frames like that on my daily commute
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is the woman in the top 2 pics using one of those LOOK stems?
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Originally Posted by wearyourtruth
i have bullhorns... but i have a conversion... if i had a nice, true track bike, i don't think it would be right to not have it set up the way it was supposed to be. imagine a 3rensho or gan well track bike with bullhorns... yuck...
Easy chief, I proudly ride a RAP with flats.

That said, the first time I got on drops and actually hit the drops I felt just a little faster. It's kinda nice to have that option. Personally I kinda reserve the drops for the velo or other races/days when I wanna haul ass.
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Originally Posted by * jack *
I know I live in podunk NC, but I haven't seen many frames like that on my daily commute
The OP was questioning riding track drops on the street. Wearyourtruth questioned the use of bullhorns on any track bike.

I responded to wearyourtruth by stating that if you do it right it can work.

BTW, I will be using bullhorns on both of my track bikes on the street in NYC.
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Originally Posted by Jose R
The OP was questioning riding track drops on the street. Wearyourtruth questioned the use of bullhorns on any track bike.

I responded to wearyourtruth by stating that if you do it right it can work.

BTW, I will be using bullhorns on both of my track bikes on the street in NYC.
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Yeah, but a frame like my IRO is not exactly "classic".

I will let you guys be the judges of what looks better, personally I like them both.

(note my "one spoke card at a time" philosophy)




*also, the drops picture was taken with my phone...thus the resolution discrepency.
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Originally Posted by visitordesign
is the woman in the top 2 pics using one of those LOOK stems?
Yes, she's using the Look Ergo-stem system and, I believe, also the German rider, but her stem does look a little different.
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