It looks like a small mess bag to me, and a hip pouch, and a pink pants cuff on the drive side. Running because they a photog or checkpoint help, with/hanging with the checkpoint, and momentarily in the way (not really in the way, I ride straight at photogs if they're in my line, it's their job to get a shot and get clear and they almost always do). KT may have wanted to swing wide left to enter the intersection but not been able to, so shoulda woulda coulda braked/scrubbed speed instead of taking the center, hind sight yadda yadda but that left side would have been the clean line for slipping through the intersection. Either way it looked like a fun race.

And dissing her because she made a mistake and had an accident? Weak. Never made a miscalculation Chicagotrollboy? It's that or you never took a chance, take your pick numbnuts.

I almost jumped on you Sam for you relentless defense of anything messenger...but then I read Chicago's post and you are right. He is way out of line at best...probably trolling for a flamewar...

The flyer she was grabbing was the checkpoint. People were coming through, grabbing that on the fly and generally making that right turn down 2nd ave. I think she basically just made a mistake, albeit a pretty big one, but still a mistake. And chicagowhatever, I can assure you that she's not an "idiot" or "moronic broad".

Keep riding for a couple more years and you'll learn that riding as fast as you can all the time isn't very smart, whether you're doing messenger runs or the tour de france.

If you really want to race messengers, you should do an alleycat. That's a much better indicator of how you'll stack up than blowing by someone in the street.

in waking life, the technique used is called "rotoscoping" where live action footage is filmed, and then its animated by drawing or painting over it frame-by-frame. this looks more like something done on the computer, and while i thought waking life was kinda boring, it at least looked better than that garbage.

they explain it on their site. in waking life, they painted over real actors (though im pretty sure they used computers, not actual paint), sorta tracing them. in this they just filmed streets and traffic and then painted in people who arent there.

whoa there sport! it's kinda like when i go runnin' in central park--i feel all superior cause i've only been passed a few times ever, but when i pass folks i stop and think "hey, maybe that dude's been out here runnin' longer today or has different trainin' goals or whatever." what i'm sayin' is that don't get the bighead til ya raced a coupla these studhorses when they're not workin'. don't get me wrong--i'm sure you're fast and have good endurance, but let your actions on the bike speak for themselves. just sayin'. . . :) :)

Ouchie.

I dunno, in the bay area I saw a lot of bike shop employees riding fixed when most messengers were still riding mountain bikes with baskets.

i love these busted a** rugs on their new found fixie trend racing to and from work, or maybe the bar. some fictitious audiance in the back of their head applauding their raw talents and ability.
try 5 ten hour days for 7-8 years on that track bike and who gives a F*** who/if your passin. its then a life style.
what a kook

nah, 22 and didn't exactly "just start"...what, are you saying i'll get weaker over time, instead of stronger? hasn't been the case so far.

anyway, that post didn't say what i meant to say, and thinking about it now, even what i meant to say was questionable.

**** you. you're talking about someone else, that doesn't sound like me at all. hey, glad you know sooooo much about me after one goddamn (admittedly) stupid post.

sorry everyone that it came out wrong. sorry to hurt anyone's elite feelings.

one?

me thinks you haven't been here long enough to judge other people's posting histories.

i don't really agree with what HC posted in here, but he apologized for it. the rest of the **** he throws out to the board is worthwhile. maybe you should think twice about talking that kinda **** when your join date is within the same week of the post you're critiquing.

edit - and this means a hell of a lot coming from me because i sure as hell ain't one of those newbie bashers.

i agree. don't start talkin' too much ***** about humancongereel! the dude's a-ok. be cool.

thanks guys...like i say, it was stupid...there were a lot of factors i didn't take into account when i posted that ****. those were pointed out to me, some not so politely, which is what got to me.

and right, to put things in perspective, i do need to race people. i know i'm pretty quick, but i need someone to kick my ass to really show me the reality of it. good thing i'll be starting at the velodrome come march. that'll show me.

without attacking my character.

Hmm.. Jim-Bob are you saying that SF mechanics are the root of this crazy fixed gear craze? I would rather agree with the poster who gave street cred to NY messengers.

My brother split NY with his track bike in early 1994 and was considered muy loco by just about everyone he came across in Frisco for working there on his fixed/no brakes.

When I went to LA to messenger the winter of 95/96 the kids thought my fix had a coaster brake!
The Cycle Messenger World Champs 95 in Toronto and 96 in Frisco spread the style quite a bit. There was even a fixed/no brakes street race at the SF Worlds.

European messengers were pointing and laughing at the first skid competition to take place at a CMWC (Barcelona/97). Just three years later at CMWC in Copenhagen close to half of the 400 competitors were rocking fixed/no brake!

Then there is the picture by Alice Austin from 1896 that is titled 'Messenger by Wheel' and has a western union messenger kid posing with his fixed/no brakes(!) on 30th St. and Broadway.

So, that's my 2 cents on the topic :D

No, I'm not trying to claim any credit, just adding another data point.

As a shop rat, I built my first fixed gear up in 1991 with a hub that some messenger bag guy brought back from Japan for me. Another wrench gave me a pair of track bars that he'd had hanging around since his junior days, and I had the stylingest nishiki in my high school.

I know E.Zo and some of the king boys were already riding fixed by that point, but yeah, like I said, most of the messengers I saw downtown were riding mountain bikes with the full metal baskets up front, although some had realized that they could chop the sides and front to make a sort of basket/rack thing.

I've never ridden in NYC. For all I know, it could've been a hotbed of fixed activity since the dawn of time. I'm just sharing what I've seen.

OK- If I ever get my hands on another print of that Alice Austin pic I will post it. (some cretin stole it from the CMWC art show in Seattle :mad: )

I tend to think fixed in Frisco is crazy with all those hills!? But hey, to each their own. If you ride NYC bring youir fix cuz I swear this town was built for that bike, flat and fast. With all the weather/grime it is just that much easier to maintain year round.

i'll lap you 6 times, then attack your character, then make fun of your wheelset. i'm cool like that.

no! not the wheelset!

Bike commuting is a lifestyle as well.

peter sutherland is cranking out great product lately. autograf was a great group of portraits and a nice experiment in printing.

can't wait to see the book/film.

what are you band camp meistro?

This be the one you mean?
http://nybma.com/1896photo.jpg

I like this one, a Lewis Hine circa 1911, Norfolk, Virginia
http://63.251.54.141/images/Messenge...ePhoto1911.jpg