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Skid patch comparison chart...
So....someone should make a chart in Excel or something with cog sizes on the x axis, chainring sizes on the Y axis, and # of resulting skid patches for corresponding ratios.
I could do this myself, but I've already fallen asleep twice at my desk tonight. Time for bed. |
it's been done already. ****ing wish i could remember what thread it's in.
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http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...t=skid+patches
okay, down the page halfway. some nerdy math about skid patches courtesy of shants and someone else who was talking in math terms waaaaaaaaay above this dude's head. |
i have it... hold on
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damn! 60x30 only has one. i was gonna switch to that until now!
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yeah, 64x4 only has one, so i've changed my mind about switching to that.
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Originally Posted by jacobpriest
damn! 60x30 only has one. i was gonna switch to that until now!
Originally Posted by humancongereel
yeah, 64x4 only has one, so i've changed my mind about switching to that.
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ha ha...while i was joking about it, i think that the wide range of combinations that chart affords is really nice.
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Does it make sense to anyone else that the 30x30 combination has 5 skidpatches? Why wouldn't that have just 1?
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I think if you're running 30x30, you could pretty much skid anywhere in the rotation. It should be 8 skid patches, but laid down on it's side...
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I was just wondering if the math was right. If that combination wasn't true, are there others that don't work?
Mind you, if you're going to ride a 1:1 ratio, 47 tooth cogs are really the way to go. |
Originally Posted by Grimlock
Does it make sense to anyone else that the 30x30 combination has 5 skidpatches? Why wouldn't that have just 1?
Basically you you take your gear ratio as a fraction, reduce it and take the reduced cog - that's your number skid patches. For example, I ride 46x16. As a fraction: 46/16 Reduced: 23/8 I have 8 skid patches. |
any time you run a gear ratio that comes out to an even integer (1:1, 2:1, 3:1, 4:1, etc.) you will get exactly one skid patch. With a 1:1, when the pedals are in the position used to skid, the tire will always be in exactly the same position. With a 2:1, the same thing happens, but the tire went around an extra time in the mean time. #:1 gives you two extra rotations before it stops at the same spot again.
The most skid patches you can ever have is the same as the number of teeth on your cog. The best combinations are ones in which the cog tooth count and ring tooth count are relatively prime with regards to eachother. Using Yoshi's example, this would be any instance where you cannot reduce the fraction at all. |
Al |
you can get a few more in most situations if you can learn to skid with your other foot too
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Whenever I see this great table, I've always wondered what the yellow highlighting is supposed to indicate. Any ideas?
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he was highlighting the combinations that were 3.0 or slightly below, and then checking the skid patches
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Originally Posted by spud
he was highlighting the combinations that were 3.0 or slightly below, and then checking the skid patches
I also bolded skid patches that were 7 or above as this roughly keeps the wear evenly distributed. (A skid patch often nds up being about a 1/8th circumference on the tire as most folks are not static in the skid, but of course the wear is concentrated in the center of that patch.) Yes, this assumes singled sided skidding only. If your ambi then double the number of skid patches. Al |
thanks for the chart, its pretty useful
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Huh, I just went from 8 skid patches to, um 8 skid patches. I guess not much is different from 46x16 to 42x16, except that I'm going to be spinning a lot more...
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get a 17t cog
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DA doesn't make 17t cogs, do they?
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