Zonker

I believe the vegan rejection of honey is due to the methods used to collect the honey. The bee keeper uses smoke to keep them from getting too excited (i.e.stinging the living shyte out of him/her) when the honey is being collected. lTo some, that constitutes cruelty to the little buggers. Also, some are always going to be accidentally killed during the collection. I say...make mine orange blossom!

go vegan

By definition to be vegan is to not consume/use any animal products. Wool and honey are both animal products and it's as simple as that. Also, calling wool producting a "Non animal harming" business is a very big stretch. Sheep in Australia and New Zealand (where most wool comes from) are, by law, susceptible to "tail docking, castration, and surgical removal of skin folds without anesthesia." The act of shearing alone cuts and bruises the sheep. On top of that the sheep who are raised for wool are bred to have lambs who are sent off to slaughter houses for consumption, perpetuating the consumption of meat (a market that every vegan should be against). As for honey, if you're interested in reading into why it is not vegan beyond the fact that it involves the enlsavement of animals, the theft of their food source for the winter, etc.. then try this website https://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm

I think it's great that the vegan cafe stopped selling animal products. There's a vegan restaraunt near my house that still sells Honey Dew Cake and some other non vegan deserts.

FXjohn

jeez, what's next? Feeding mosquitos your blood, or staying inside your whole life so you never step on a bug?

FXjohn

How many bugs die every time a field of vegetables is harvested??

KrisPistofferson

The vegan rejection of honey is like the fixed gear riders rejection of brakes. A great deal of smoke is blown and drama made of it, but it really amounts to wanting to feel superior to your peers.

masterlink

God bless the Vegans

prodigal son

If were not us lowly humans, sheep and cows would have been extinct long ago. They are around because they are useful to us.

Griffin

bagels taste even better when they are free, and speaking of this whole freegan thing, anyone read that book crimethinc put out, Evasion? Quite an interesting book...

soyboy

something like 66 percent of vegetables and grains in the US go to feed animals

edzo

for every animal vegans don't eat

I'll eat three

adamkell

enjoy the cancer and heart disease

*slowly backs out of this thread*......

Ready to Ruck

the companies that produce them are held liable.

okay maybe it isn't illegal but it is avoided by the companies.
I would like to know more specifics myself.

Jamtastic

OK. This got me all inspired so i went on a ride to three Norman, OK dumpsters 15 minutes ago...

1) The Earth: organic shop. apparently share a dumpster a few doors down if any normanites are looking, but, right on top of a closed dumpster was 2 stalks of Kale without yellow on the edges, And a crate of little organic apple juices. The dates on the apple juices say they go bad the 12th. I am curious why they already threw them out. Overall: Score.

2) Panera Bread: Couldnt bring myself to even look. smelled like sandwiches and mayonaise. suprisingly a very few amount of clean lokoing bagels and breads in dumpster. just trashbags of leftovers. Pass.

3) Homeland groceries. lots of bread and french bread loafs. In dumpster but clean. smelled good. french bread was a little hard so i passed on it. No vegetables or anything just alot of broken glass in the bottom. But ultimatly.... score.

Overall i think this is interesting. I had never given this any thought before. I am going to scout more in the daytime. Try to find a better bagel place or something.

Thanks for the inspiration guys. Learn something new everyday

juvi-kyle

Meat Is Murder And Murder Taste Good.

mcatano

Up here in Canada, after Tim Horton's sold themselves to Wendy's (or whomever it was...) they changed their policy such that they won't give out day olds to charities or school clubs anymore. They also have a strict policy whereby ALL trash has to go in the same bag - ie, coffee filters and sludge must be dumped on top of perfectly good, uneaten donuts, pastries and bagels. It's insane.

KrisPistofferson

Panera bread does give out day-olds, last I checked.

WatchItBurn

i wish i was working at a grocery store again. for you richmonders, i threw it down at ellwood thompsons. free/stolen vegetarian/vegan fare is amazing. in house prepared food and baked goods. perfection!

did we ever figure out the super secret vegan question?

KrisPistofferson

It was- "Can I use a honey/lard mixture to condition my Brooks saddle?"

gorn

Honey Dew is a fruit, you sure the cake isn't vegan?

On the energy note, I just ate at WONDERFUL vegan muffin that my mommy baked. I'll post the recipe, but basically it's dried fruit, nuts, soy yogurt, flower, ground flax seed, orange juice. Tastes wonderful and definitely a good energy booster.

When you're riding, it's carbs you are burning, and meat isn't carby anyway. It might just be the winter is holding you back not your diet.

sers

i eat an entirely vegan diet, and I don't use leather, and i rarely wear wool or silk. i guess i'm technically a vegitarian for all intensive purposes. i switched to a vegan diet to see if i would experience any benefits from it. i have. i sleep better, and i feel better, and i maintain a lower weight. i think a lot of that comes from always knowing what the ingredients are in what i'm eating, and i avoid eating a lot of unnutritious processed foods because they contain animal derived ingredients.

i firmly believe that americans devote entirely too many resources to meat and dairy production. i feel that there is an unhealthy rate of consumption of these products.
i find it sort of odd that people who embrace the $0.00/gal mentality of cycling are so quick to mock vegans who actively do not support the use of immense amounts of fuel used shipping animals around from slaughter to the store, and in feed production.

i find it pretty hard to argue against the idea of cutting down meat consumption/production by say 10% and instead using the grain and resources to feed america's hungry. perhaps poor americans go hungry partly because those who are better off can't exercise portion control.

MDRawk

I don't think people are thinking about all the food we are saving by not feeding it to animals. That's not why i'm vegitarian. There is no shortage of grain in the world. In fact, there is so much, that many farmers in other countries are being put under by mass amounts of cheap American grain.

Yes, the Odwalla dumpster is heavenly. All i can say is, next time you see that truck, follow it. I suspect these companies are thinking about all the bad press they would get for feeding homeless people expired food. Insane, but true.

Alexi

no if it was not for us sheep and cows would exist in their natural forms and not in the semi ******** state we have bred them into. I grew up down the street from a dairy farm, I hate cows.

koyman

I just wanted to say about the honey/smoking-to-avoid-stings thing:

A Honey Bee's stinger is barbed. This means that when it goes into your skin (or shirt, as has happened to me), it stays there. It is also attached to their innards as well as a venom sac. This means that when the stinger stays in you (or your shirt), the bee's guts get pulled out (when she flies away) and she dies.

Smoking the bees makes them think that the hive is on fire, and so they eat honey. This makes them lethargic, which makes them really easy to deal with (you can scoop them off the comb with your hand and they don't get pissed). So, by smoking them, you are saving bee lives.

Also, beekeepers generally don't take all of a hive's honey. They leave enough for them to survive the winter and even insulate the hive. It is much more economical to overwinter a hive than to start anew each spring.

And so I see very little ground for the vegan anti-honey stance, but then I haven't read that explaination, and I don't have to care anyway 'cause I'm not a fukn vegan.

OneTinSloth

i really hate to nitpick --really i do-- but it's "for all intents and purposes." i'm not really sure what an intensive purpose would be.

FXjohn

Are you high? Have you seen the average poor person's gut? Or the average poor person who needs a scooter to shop for MORE food? Giddawf yer high horse.