i just don't understand.
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i'm okay with bike shops charging what they have to charge to keep running, but there are some things, i just don't understand why they cost so much. here's my list so far, and i'd be ammused to see what other people have in mind.
- double straps. $100. they cost, like, 4 times as much as single straps. i'm not very good at math, but it doesn't quite add up to me.
- mks sylvan dust cap. $5. apparently they're 1/3 the price of the whole pedal...?
- that fixed gear 101 booklet ... oh wait, maybe this one is one of the "rare" ones...
(yah, little bit bored at work)
- double straps. $100. they cost, like, 4 times as much as single straps. i'm not very good at math, but it doesn't quite add up to me.
- mks sylvan dust cap. $5. apparently they're 1/3 the price of the whole pedal...?
- that fixed gear 101 booklet ... oh wait, maybe this one is one of the "rare" ones...
(yah, little bit bored at work)
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I really don't get the double strap thing either.
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a good, proper set of single straps should run upwards of $40. x2 would be approximately $80 (which is about what the doubles cost.)
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Decent single straps cost about $50. Doubles are well double so they cost double.
Dust cap seems pricey.
That booklet thing is crazy. Time to start the printer.
Dust cap seems pricey.
That booklet thing is crazy. Time to start the printer.
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
- mks sylvan dust cap. $5. apparently they're 1/3 the price of the whole pedal...?
Now I have one silver dustcap and one black plastic dustcap.
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campy or campy compatable seatpost binder bolt (non-keyed). $20 at LBS???
i found a place online to get it for $15 but the sugino keyed bolts are like $2 or $3 online and i got one for free from a LBS.
i found a place online to get it for $15 but the sugino keyed bolts are like $2 or $3 online and i got one for free from a LBS.
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regarding the dust cap question, It is similar to cars. Consumer Reports did a small research project a number of years back and found out if you bought a Ford Escort piece by piece ( ala Johnny Cash, but without the larceny) it would cost you almost 40k, rather than the MSRP of around 9k. I would assume it would be similar to bike parts as well.
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Originally Posted by dmc
campy or campy compatable seatpost binder bolt (non-keyed). $20 at LBS???
i found a place online to get it for $15 but the sugino keyed bolts are like $2 or $3 online and i got one for free from a LBS.
i found a place online to get it for $15 but the sugino keyed bolts are like $2 or $3 online and i got one for free from a LBS.
but i agree i was going to post the same piece...even though bikes seem hyped.. in the grand scheme of things.. no one cares, thus making the initial manufacture of less parts more expensive..i dont think the citizenry of china is clamoring for mks dust caps
the fixed book i dont understand.. who is buying those?
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Food stuff is worse.....
10oz of Corn Flakes is about $0.005 but add the
box that costs about .55 to produce and it becomes 2.00 to buy ??
Raman noodles are about the same $0.005 a lb but add the secret
MSG packet and packaging and you can only get 10 for a dollar
Go figure !
10oz of Corn Flakes is about $0.005 but add the
box that costs about .55 to produce and it becomes 2.00 to buy ??
Raman noodles are about the same $0.005 a lb but add the secret
MSG packet and packaging and you can only get 10 for a dollar
Go figure !
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I'd look at it the other way... Usually compared to the ebay/cl/resale market, the LBS is usually WAY cheaper.
look a the price for pink or green phills online (ebay)
vs
the price for the pink or green phills from a lbs (or even Yojimbo's, and have em shipped)
look a the price for pink or green phills online (ebay)
vs
the price for the pink or green phills from a lbs (or even Yojimbo's, and have em shipped)
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Originally Posted by -=£em in Pa=-
Food stuff is worse.....
10oz of Corn Flakes is about $0.005 but add the
box that costs about .55 to produce and it becomes 2.00 to buy ??
Raman noodles are about the same $0.005 a lb but add the secret
MSG packet and packaging and you can only get 10 for a dollar
Go figure !
10oz of Corn Flakes is about $0.005 but add the
box that costs about .55 to produce and it becomes 2.00 to buy ??
Raman noodles are about the same $0.005 a lb but add the secret
MSG packet and packaging and you can only get 10 for a dollar
Go figure !
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I'm right there with ya on the dustcaps. Seems like for 5 the least they could do is sell you the pair!
...but I'm probably gonna bite the bullet and buy one anyway because I have a pair of really nice campy pedals missing one dustcap.
...but I'm probably gonna bite the bullet and buy one anyway because I have a pair of really nice campy pedals missing one dustcap.
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Originally Posted by mattface
I'm right there with ya on the dustcaps. Seems like for 5 the least they could do is sell you the pair!
...but I'm probably gonna bite the bullet and buy one anyway because I have a pair of really nice campy pedals missing one dustcap.
...but I'm probably gonna bite the bullet and buy one anyway because I have a pair of really nice campy pedals missing one dustcap.
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Originally Posted by eddiebrannan
i can't believe someone is complaining about the price of ramen noodles
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One of the main problems is the assumption folks make about pricing methods. Too many people assume (incorrectly) that things are priced via a 'Cost Plus' model, where a seller figures out their costs and adds a little margin for running the business, shrinkage, 'profit', etc. In reality, most businesses in most industries price off of a 'Value' method. They charge the price that the market has determined is 'appropriate.' They charge $100 for double straps because people are willing to pay $100 for double straps. It's such a niche market that the cost of tooling, initial production runs, advertising, distribution, etc could never be recouped by another producer in the market even if they could reach a margin cost of $5 per strap.
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Originally Posted by tehz
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I'm done reading bike forums for the day r-dub's post is insightful, and right on - no need to read anything else. Despite the fact that most bike parts have a very low use value, they have an very high exchange value.
Originally Posted by r-dub
One of the main problems is the assumption folks make about pricing methods. Too many people assume (incorrectly) that things are priced via a 'Cost Plus' model, where a seller figures out their costs and adds a little margin for running the business, shrinkage, 'profit', etc. In reality, most businesses in most industries price off of a 'Value' method. They charge the price that the market has determined is 'appropriate.' They charge $100 for double straps because people are willing to pay $100 for double straps. It's such a niche market that the cost of tooling, initial production runs, advertising, distribution, etc could never be recouped by another producer in the market even if they could reach a margin cost of $5 per strap.
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Originally Posted by r-dub
One of the main problems is the assumption folks make about pricing methods. Too many people assume (incorrectly) that things are priced via a 'Cost Plus' model, where a seller figures out their costs and adds a little margin for running the business, shrinkage, 'profit', etc. In reality, most businesses in most industries price off of a 'Value' method. They charge the price that the market has determined is 'appropriate.' They charge $100 for double straps because people are willing to pay $100 for double straps. It's such a niche market that the cost of tooling, initial production runs, advertising, distribution, etc could never be recouped by another producer in the market even if they could reach a margin cost of $5 per strap.
as far as complaining about the price of ramen, i do think it's funny, but not shocking. i mean, sure, it costs a dime, but still...it costs you and me a dime, and the company a miniscule fraction of that. and then it's food. so it becomes principle. companies have people over a barrel with food. who's ready to stop eating? not me. so companies don't have to justify prices with cost, research and development (i think sloppy robot was giving the companies too much benefit of the doubt. they're corporations, for ****'s sake. they **** people in the ass for ****s and giggles) or packaging or whatever. they simply don't have to justify it. they just have to say "do you feel like eating? then pay our prices, inflated or not." the grocery store is the best example of the worst pitfalls of capitalism. be glad you'll be perfectly okay if you don't get those double toe straps.
edit: i guess that last bit got a little ot. the discussion of business and food got me thinking...and while not much of a socialist anymore, i sure do hate capitalism governing who gets to eat and who doesn't. so...soapbox time. sorry.
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Grocery store profit margins are thin. Just saying. Also ramen takes up a lot of space at a grocery store with little to no return in value for the market.
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I was just looking for a set of track nuts today at my LBS and there were Campy ones for something like $32 (apiece), or generics for $2. Blew me away that someone could theoretically spend like $120 on nuts....
Just an observation.
Just an observation.
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Originally Posted by celephaiz
Grocery store profit margins are thin.
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Originally Posted by humancongereel
i dunno, i haven't seen the numbers. as i often do, i was talking in theory, you know? less about numbers, more about ethics, that kind of ****.