The true dirt on Felt.
#1
loves living in the city.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 891
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Picture
I saw one of this year's Felt track bikes last night. The owner, a mechanic at a local bikeshop, had it set up really nice with matching red and black accessories, including a (bling) red chain. We discussed a few different matters.
1) The unique shape of the tubing. Extreme ovalization in the top and down tubes for stiffness. The seatstays are a proprietary wishbone shape, very narrow and bladelike, also for stiffness. More about this later. He said that the designer from Felt actually drew up plans for this bike while sitting outside the shop he works at a few years ago. He also said that the bike rides great and has outstanding accelleration. The fact that the design is similar to the GT and Fuji Pro was mentioned.
2) The rumor that Felt track frames fall appart. Apparently this has happened to 4 frames total, and two happened to be in Chicago. You can imagine what this did to the reputation in this town, although just four frames failing isn't a damning statistic. The seatstays used to be bonded aluminum but have since been switched to a single wishbone unit that does not feature the joint that failed on the previous bikes. On top of this, the two bikes in Chicago were reputed to have been abused.
3) The equipment is pretty nice. Black Sugino 75s, Deda oversized alloy drops, Formula hubs. The rims are Alex, which I think is lame. He said that they are the best rims Alex makes, and are similar to Velocity Aeroheads. I have never seen an Alex rim that is that good, but we'll see if these turn out to be durable.
I think it is a good bike. A+ for style also. I just wanted to post this because I've always been a little sketched out by the bad rep, and apparently it's not as big of a deal as I thought it was.
I saw one of this year's Felt track bikes last night. The owner, a mechanic at a local bikeshop, had it set up really nice with matching red and black accessories, including a (bling) red chain. We discussed a few different matters.
1) The unique shape of the tubing. Extreme ovalization in the top and down tubes for stiffness. The seatstays are a proprietary wishbone shape, very narrow and bladelike, also for stiffness. More about this later. He said that the designer from Felt actually drew up plans for this bike while sitting outside the shop he works at a few years ago. He also said that the bike rides great and has outstanding accelleration. The fact that the design is similar to the GT and Fuji Pro was mentioned.
2) The rumor that Felt track frames fall appart. Apparently this has happened to 4 frames total, and two happened to be in Chicago. You can imagine what this did to the reputation in this town, although just four frames failing isn't a damning statistic. The seatstays used to be bonded aluminum but have since been switched to a single wishbone unit that does not feature the joint that failed on the previous bikes. On top of this, the two bikes in Chicago were reputed to have been abused.
3) The equipment is pretty nice. Black Sugino 75s, Deda oversized alloy drops, Formula hubs. The rims are Alex, which I think is lame. He said that they are the best rims Alex makes, and are similar to Velocity Aeroheads. I have never seen an Alex rim that is that good, but we'll see if these turn out to be durable.
I think it is a good bike. A+ for style also. I just wanted to post this because I've always been a little sketched out by the bad rep, and apparently it's not as big of a deal as I thought it was.
Last edited by Ira in Chi; 03-22-06 at 10:06 AM.
#2
knucklehead
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: East Village, NYC
Posts: 520
Bikes: Rocky MT Track, Vivalo, Pista Concept, De Bernardi Track
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
#3
loves living in the city.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 891
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by roscoenyc57
I do think that an above entry level aluminum track racing frame should have replaceable inserts for the rear dropouts.
#5
redonkulous
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: West Philly
Posts: 837
Bikes: 2001 GT GTB
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Yeah, now that I have my first Aluminum frame, I can see what the issue is. Ive already put huge gouges into the dropouts. Is there any way to prevent this?
#6
`
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 915
Bikes: vintage carlton track, vintage carlton tourer(fixed)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
track noob question: is stiffness that disireable? i took gregg's Spicer for a turn around velo last weekend and found the stiffness very odd-feeling, but then maybe i'm just used to my relatively slack steel frame.
#7
MADE IN TAIWAN
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: SF
Posts: 2,438
Bikes: Tarmac, Humble, Makino, Schwinn
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
One of the reasons why the pista concept is great is that it has stainless replaceable dropouts... no gouges, no worries.
The Dolan has them too.
The Dolan has them too.
#8
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: London
Posts: 423
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Rikardi151
Yeah, now that I have my first Aluminum frame, I can see what the issue is. Ive already put huge gouges into the dropouts. Is there any way to prevent this?
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 962
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Rikardi151
Yeah, now that I have my first Aluminum frame, I can see what the issue is. Ive already put huge gouges into the dropouts. Is there any way to prevent this?
#10
redonkulous
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: West Philly
Posts: 837
Bikes: 2001 GT GTB
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Yeah, ive done both of those (but now the little set screws on the chain tug eats into the trackends).
#11
knucklehead
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: East Village, NYC
Posts: 520
Bikes: Rocky MT Track, Vivalo, Pista Concept, De Bernardi Track
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
#12
bought a new car
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Bucktown, Chicago
Posts: 1,346
Bikes: 01 Pista and 99 Lemond Chambery
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by schloe mo
track noob question: is stiffness that disireable? i took gregg's Spicer for a turn around velo last weekend and found the stiffness very odd-feeling, but then maybe i'm just used to my relatively slack steel frame.
On the track - most, if not all track racers look for a frame with the least amount of flex in the frame. since the bikes will only be used on a smooth surface you don't need it to be absorbing anything. just taking the power you give it and transferring it as efficiently as possible.
#14
bought a new car
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Bucktown, Chicago
Posts: 1,346
Bikes: 01 Pista and 99 Lemond Chambery
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by sloppy robot
ive never had an alum. track frame.. whats the drop out issue? 'cause its so soft?
#15
I am an incurable.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Champaign, IL
Posts: 993
Bikes: IRO Mark V pro (RIP), Bianchi Giro, Giant Xtc1, Redline Conquest Pro, Kelly Deluxe singlespeed.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I saw one of these in St. Louis a couple months ago, and was quite impressed by how it looked. The shop it was at apparently did not like the alex rims, and had replaced the wheels with a set of Mavic elipse. I liked it. Like all Felt products I was impressed by what they were giving you for the money.
__________________
www.oldsylebeer.com
www.oldsylebeer.com
#19
Cornucopia of Awesomeness
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: not where i used to be
Posts: 4,847
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by $0.00/Gal
Yes. Carbon and Alu road frames come with replacable dropouts. I dunno why a track frame wouldn't.
#22
bought a new car
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Bucktown, Chicago
Posts: 1,346
Bikes: 01 Pista and 99 Lemond Chambery
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by baxtefer
replaceable derailleur hangers, not dropouts.
oopsies
#23
this portrait of karma
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: chicago
Posts: 1,238
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Ira in Chi
$820
msrp is $1299 complete and some places sell the frameset for about that much...is that what you were refering to?
still need to find out what bb is in that thing.
#24
bought a new car
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Bucktown, Chicago
Posts: 1,346
Bikes: 01 Pista and 99 Lemond Chambery
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
It has a Sugino 75 bottom bracket.
edit: assuming they didn't change the BB/crankset setup from 2005.
click
edit: assuming they didn't change the BB/crankset setup from 2005.
click
#25
this portrait of karma
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: chicago
Posts: 1,238
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by $0.00/Gal
It has a Sugino 75 bottom bracket.
edit: assuming they didn't change the BB/crankset setup from 2005.
click
edit: assuming they didn't change the BB/crankset setup from 2005.
click