spud

+1 on the phils

tonym

thanks for the feed back but those Gromada hubs look really nice, the waiting period is 2months though so i think il go with them, Ed, havnt seen him in a while havnt a clue if hes done anything with his but il find out.
@momentum-are you the guy with the HUGE bob jackson?

dolface

seems like the price thing is solveable; have one of us buy them here and ship them over...

tonym

how much can you buy them for Mr.dolface?

jrowe

Nobody mentioned campy high-flange c-records. Dunno why. They're my favorite. No longer made, of course, but pretty easy to find. The best way to get an affordable set is to buy them already laced to some rims.

They are unsealed non-cartridge bearing hubs, but they're a delight to work on and hands-down the most gorgeous hubs I've ever seen.

onetwentyeight 

Cuz they have a reputation for breaking where the spokes go in (i know a few people who use them, but they tend to be smaller people), and they're not warrantied for street use the way phils are.

Sure are pretty though.

dolface

$US285.00, for single-sided 36h silver, more for colors.

tonym

thanks, i dont think il take you up on the offer due to lack of funds but somebody should.
thanks again.

jrowe

That reputation is crap, and it's all based on that photo on Sheldon's site. I've got four sets of campy hubs.

And since they're not manufactured any more, and dude here would likely be buying a used set, it seems like the warranty issue would be kinda moot, doesn't it?

But that's cool, you guys all stay away from them. More mind-blowing hubs for me.

onetwentyeight 

Hey don't get me wrong, I'd love a pair if I had a bike that would be right for them.

Momentum

That's me - hope everything's going well on the other side of the Irish Sea.


Dolface - that's a very cool offer you made, if only I had the money or need for more bike parts!

fixedpip

You can buy 'em direct from Phil Wood if you live in a country without a dealer (ie whole of bloody Europe almost). The shipping is quick and the price is pretty good (you will pay pretty close to current US prices). My girlfriend, gawd bless 'er, bought me one for christmas this way.

vobopl

You do not need to go through middleman - there was an email to Maciej posted to the forum - it is OK to contact him directly. The wait time will be shorter, too. And they roollll. The only thing I have seen rolling better was a front Record hub (oversized road post 1999 version) which I modified to accept a set of ceramic cartridge bearings I got cheaply.

Mack hubs

Momentum

Are the Mack hubs the same as Gromada hubs? The ones I saw looked pretty similar but said Gromada where those ones say Mack. Do the Mack hubs have aluminium axles with really long allen bolts to provide some of the strength? Do you know how much the Mack hubs cost?

So many questions...

vobopl

Yes, they are the same.
Maciej makes them all - my understanding is that he tries to rise the brand awarness and marks them Mack recently. They were offered through Gromad site, bearing Gromada name. They also existed as Keirin and were available through one of Berlin cycling shops. You can specify flange size (med high, low) and the drilling. There is also single speed version intended for dished wheels - somebody posted the link to the auction of these - Maciej sells them under something like giewont1 handle on eBay.

Yes, they do have and oversized axle with something like Phil's "chrome dome" with really clever design (the part of the axle serrated, stainless steel bit, while a really long allen bolt goes through the alu dome/washer on the outside of track ends. I questioned the solution (lack of serration and alu on the outside) but Maciej convinced me it was allright. He was right - never had a problem with the axle slipping.

I do not know about the price, I bought mine cheaply, because I really took somebody else's medium flange one which Maciej drilled as per my spec and Maciej is a friend of a friend. Also it was at the time he has not established the reputation yet - they were cheaper. I believe I have posted the price I have paid. If you search for Mack and my handle you might find this post. The images of the low and med flange ones are available through the link in the post you replied to. The detail of the bolt-on solution is clearly visible.

Momentum

I thought they looked similar. I met Gromada in Dublin - he was a super cool guy and the weekend was a ball. He gave a pair of these hubs as the prize for the footdown competition and I had a look at them. The design is good (as you said) and they look really well made. Plus they're beautiful, especially the large flange ones that Gromada had.

How many km have you put on yours and how do you like them?

vobopl

1000km, half on trainer, half on cr@@ppy after-the-long-winter roads. Durable: survived with scratch on one of the "domes" the incident on trainer which delaminated (from heat) a vittoria pro tyre. Still smooth.
Oh, last but not least the looks: the med flange ones go really well with shamal rims and 16 bladed spokes

tonym

thanks a millon for the information.
https://www.gromada.waw.pl/ -il ask him next time i see him on the road, they look sexy and sound good and arent hugely expensive.
all is well in dublin.
thanks vobopl.

thrilhou

I thought DA was sealed...

Accident

anyone ride Miche Primato's on the street?

Eatadonut

*hand up*

Yeah. Roll nice, and no problems yet. Only like 300 miles on them so far, though.

trons

nope

Erich Zann

Dura Ace, Campy Sheriff star, Suntour Superb... forget Phil