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My kind of frame, Holdsworth

Old 05-10-06, 12:59 PM
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My kind of frame, Holdsworth

Check out this cool old frame with its beautiful lugs.
Now this is my kind of frame.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Holdsworth-Delux...QQcmdZViewItem
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Old 05-10-06, 01:15 PM
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Big ups for front and rear eyelets. If this is a custom touring/training frame, then yummie. Of course, possibly it was built for the track, and there isn't enough space to fit actual fenders. If so, then sucks big time. Maybe these were the only dropouts/ends the builder had at hand
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Should I ask the seller what the center-to-center measurement is?

I don't get the sloppy lug lining, but I still love this frame. Too bad I can't afford it
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Old 05-10-06, 01:48 PM
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Its got geometry more like a grass track frame, which would explain the eyelets..
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Old 05-10-06, 01:49 PM
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sweet frame
it's a "path racer" rather than a track frame. grass track or fixed gear road machine. hence the eyelets

yeah it's too bad about the crappy lug lining. both Bob Jackson and Mercian do pretty mediocre jobs at that.
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Nice paint, nice frame.

Isn't is some kind of faux pas to put a cartridge BB in a frame like this?
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Originally Posted by Aeroplane
Nice paint, nice frame.

Isn't is some kind of faux pas to put a cartridge BB in a frame like this?
there's no such thing as a faux pas in building up a bike. if you like it, it works well and yr gonna ride it... build it.
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this forum is way too focused on the "faux pas"
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I agree the lug lining is less than ideal. My Jackson has super clean lug lining. I guess I got lucky.
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Old 05-10-06, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Aeroplane
Nice paint, nice frame.

Isn't is some kind of faux pas to put a cartridge BB in a frame like this?
my dad has a 1973 Holdsworth with a cartridge bb in it. the BB is not for looking at. It holds some bearings that let the crank go round and round. worrying about bottom bracket aesthetics is a huge waste of time.
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I'm digging the grease zerk on the BB. I love grease zerks. I also love the word zerk.
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I love the grease ports on the headset and bottom bracket.
If i ever get up the cash for a custom frame, those are features i'm going for.

In fact, i want grease ports for every parts with bearings.
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Originally Posted by pathdoc
I agree the lug lining is less than ideal. My Jackson has super clean lug lining. I guess I got lucky.
This is says this is a "deluxe track frame." It looks pretty much identical to the Holdsworth "Zephyr." The original paint for 50's Holdsworth Zephyrs as well as the lining of the lugs looks much better than this one. I have a 1950 Holdsworth Zephyr path racer with the original paint. The track ends and stays are cromed, as is the fork. There is detailed gold lining on the fancy style nervex lugs, (bike has a nervex bottom bracket as well). There also some fancy design in gold on the top of the seat stay, highlighting the fancy ridges it has on it. Also, the frame doesn't have holdsworth decals on the down tube. I know this is the cse because I actually have another 50s Zephyr path frame unbuilt, original paint with no decals, it is a 57 I believe. The 1950 one has just one decal of "H" on the seat tube.

I know now you want a picture. I guess I can take one and put it up. I recently bought old style holdsworth transfers from H LLoyd cycles in England, because I want the bike to have "holdsworth" on it because Holdsworths are awesome.

The headbadge on this one is different than the one on both of mine. It looks older. Perhaps this frame is pre-1950? If it is I don't suspect it is that much older since it uses the same nervex lug set, bottom bracket and fork crown
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Originally Posted by mattface
my dad has a 1973 Holdsworth with a cartridge bb in it. the BB is not for looking at. It holds some bearings that let the crank go round and round. worrying about bottom bracket aesthetics is a huge waste of time.
No offense intended, the comment was made with tongue very firmly in cheek. Maybe I should have put a winky-face there?
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Originally Posted by mattface
my dad has a 1973 Holdsworth with a cartridge bb in it. the BB is not for looking at. It holds some bearings that let the crank go round and round. worrying about bottom bracket aesthetics is a huge waste of time.
Unless you have the original cottered cranks, bottom bracket, and hubset, I wouldn't think twice about this.
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this one would have had 3 piece Campy cranks most likely. It was the Nouvo Record model, and I lied it's more like 1983 than 1973.

Anyway it's not even close to period in terms of components. It came as a custom frameset, but was originally used for racing. my dad has it set up with mostly Suntour stuff 7 speed indexed with flat bars, and these wierdy beardy Scott bar ends that are like a combination of drops, and traditional MTB bar ends. Not how I would run it, but he likes it that way. I don't think I would worry about running it period either though. it's a really nice handmade 531 lugged frame. It's a racing frame but not super tight geometry. It just begs to be ridden however you like.
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