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Originally Posted by Gnarboots
In "Tortilla Flat" by John Steinbeck, these kids get sick because their steady diet of BEANS AND RICE has been disturbed by scarcity. They're forced to eat other stuff until the winos save the day by stealing 'em a few more 20 lb. sacks of BEANS AND RICE! Yeah!
I've pretty much been on the BEANS AND RICE diet for ten years, and while supplementing it with avocados (when available/affordable - one more reason So.Cal. is awesome!), salsa fresca (tomatoes, onions, chiles and lots of GARLIC), and corn tortillas (always corn tortillas!), I've managed to stay a healthy, strong, 6'0", 150 lbs., in spite of all the beer. Or maybe, thanks to all the beer. Still haven't figured that one out. Anyway. BEANS. RICE. Totally... YES!!!...as yall see, I like this thread... oh , and... plenty WATER WATER WATER , but only at least 20 min before and after eating |
Originally Posted by powerjb
So where do you vegans find vegan cheese? All the soy cheese i've found contains casin which is a no no.
BTW, I'm just veg, but in considering going vegan giving up cheese has been the biggest hurdle. in general i dont eat well. my "dieting plan" is to gradually work towards just eating better -- overall diet change vs short term starving, and to try to avoid using my car, biking instead. also trying to cut down my beer intake. and for ref. veg 6yrs, then vegan 7yrs, back slide past yr and half. im 6' 245lbs and sit in front of a computer all day. ideally it would be nice to drop about 40lbs but i dont tend to pay that much attention and dont own a scale to check my weight. |
Somebody mentioned science above. I am as scientistic as the average american, but there are like 5 foods that have ever not been "scientifically" good for you according to some experts, and since I don't like pork rinds I'm down to 4 already.
On the protein thing, I was vegetarian for a year while doing some pretty serious power-sports type weight training, and trying to hit the 180ish grams of protein a day mark. I'm not trying to be gross, but I think I farted more that year than in the rest of my life combined. Beans + tofu + soy milk + some (limited) regular dairy + egg whites + peanut butter + occasional protein supplements = oh man did it suck to be my roommate. I think my bandmates almost kicked me out from the stench in the practice room. Beano was useless against it, and I tried all kinds of diet adjustments with no luck. You really don't need that much protein unless you really want to build muscle mass. For most bikers, I would concentrate on your carb mix and eating while riding. This keeps the bonk away, but I also think it's important to not come off of a long ride ravenously hungry, eat like 2000 calories, and then only ride like 10 miles the next day because you did 40 the day before. |
Originally Posted by RandyDCR
anyway...to all those messengers who put in full-time days...how many times do you eat during the day?
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Originally Posted by powerjb
So where do you vegans find vegan cheese? All the soy cheese i've found contains casin which is a no no.
BTW, I'm just veg, but in considering going vegan giving up cheese has been the biggest hurdle. i used soysation cheese once. i'm not vegan, but i was given this cheese, so i used it. it was actually really damn good. i almost didn't know it wasn't cheese.... **not a shill. |
Originally Posted by StevieT
hmm. ok, cool. but how the f*** do you eat 200 grams of carbs and 50 grams of protein in one sitting? any concrete suggestions?
Velonews has some very good articles on nutrition http://www.velonews.com/train/. The articles are written by folks with medical background, but comprehensible enough for layperson and not at all dumbed down. Velonews is also a good place to get started on a Google search. What I mean is gather some of the ideas and keywords from Velonews to start your search. Chris Carmichael is also a good resource. http://www.trainright.com/folders.as...isplay&uid=816 Don Walker's ideas about eating fruit, and the gist of my post was... don't go hungry. (It's not good for your head.) Instead, eat healthier by snacking on fruits, eating whole grain foods, etc. Avoid simple sugars like donuts, soda, etc. What your body needs is nutrtion. Put something in that belly, just don't put junk in. Could I possibly drop more names of famous bike people in my post? |
the best vegan cheese is "follow your heart"
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Originally Posted by evanyc
make and manipulate seitan at home.... i love that tofurky sausage stuff!
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Originally Posted by max-a-mill
i have found a nice milkshake or some icecream after a long hard ride (sorry to all the vegans inthe house) is a killer way to get your muscles the protien they apparently desire after a something like a hard ride... you can spend alot more on recovery drinks and nonsense like that but apparently choclate milk is just as good.
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seitan is good. and it's fun to say, since it's pronounced just like the diabolical archnemesis of the judeo-christian deity. you can make satan sandwiches. and they'll be like roast beef sandwiches. with a much cooler name....
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seitan is wheat gluten, or protein. ya make gluten flour into a dough, then boil it. it's a meat substitute. depending on the flour/water ratio, seasoning, and shaping you can use it to replace different types of meat. if you tug and pull on it enough, gently caressing it and squeezing it, perhaps you can treat it like your chorizo
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Originally Posted by drolldurham
i was flipping through some sort of biker magazine once when i found an article about what to eat after exercising. one of their suggestions for a quick grab after a ride was a mcdonald's chocolate milkshake. that must have been one of the few times in history where a mcdonald's product was suggested as something to help one stay in shape.
Strawberry Triple ThickŪ Shake: Shake Mix: Whole milk, sucrose, cream, nonfat milk solids, corn syrup solids, mono and diglycerides, guar gum, imitation vanilla flavor, carrageenan, cellulose gum, vitamin A palmitate. Contains milk ingredients. Strawberry Syrup: Sugar, strawberries, water, high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, natural (vegetable source) and artificial flavors, pectin, citric acid, xanthan gum, potassium sorbate (a preservative), caramel color, FD&C Red #40, calcium chloride. |
Seitan sounds interesting. Is it messy?
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well, this sure makes it sound dirty: "if you tug and pull on it enough, gently caressing it and squeezing it, perhaps you can treat it like your chorizo"
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Originally Posted by humancongereel
well, this sure makes it sound dirty: "if you tug and pull on it enough, gently caressing it and squeezing it, perhaps you can treat it like your chorizo"
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well, mission accomplished. at least that's actually true in this case.
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Originally Posted by Ready to Ruck
How do you get fat? I was eating 5 avocados a week (that's 350grams each of fat. though 300 was monounsaturated which is impossible to store, you only burn it really). I jumped ship from vegan after a year because I lost 30lbs and I was already at my ideal weight (according to BMI). so yeah the last two weeks involve me adding ice cream and cheese to my diet. I feel like I can't be vegan again unless my metabolism slows down.
edit: let me rephrase. I was ideal. Now I'm too skinny. I'm not eating fatty dairy-based foods to gain weight. yeah. |
after all these super skinny veggie folks, I feel kinda fat :p
I usually only ride about 7-10 miles a day, commuting to classes and such, but I'm also a carpenter (so heavy lifting about 20 hours week, it's part of school for me) and a climber. I mostly live off of carbs, meat, cheese and beer, with some oatmeal for breakfast. post riding/climbing I usually consume as much meat as I can find and lots of water and a beer or two. I could definately eat a lot healthier, but atleast I don't like soda/junk food/fast food, so atleast I'm not consuming a lot of that crap, and I can always get up the next day and do it again no problem. 5'9" and 190lbs, little bit o' paunch, but plenty of upper body strength. |
Originally Posted by 40x14
Evan, what the * is seitan? can I manipulate it like I manipulate a chorizo? :p
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Seitan rulez! \||||/! I generally like to go for a tradition, delicious, open faced seitan sandwich to satiate my all-consuming, furious, hunger.
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soyrizo rules!
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6'5" 220lbs.
Breakfast: protein shake optimum whey protein (much better tasting than designer whey) plus banana whole wheat toast with omega 3 enriched margarine and some jam 11:00- Sandwich (cheese, yogurt mayo, mustard, lettuce or spinach) 12.30- Vegetable Soup 13.00- Another sandwich (see above) 14.00- Fruit 16.00 Another sandwich 17.00 Workout or ride followed by a protein shake 20.00 Dinner lots of vegis wholegrains and some source of protein This diet keeps me big and strong and close to 1g protein per lb body weight. |
Originally Posted by vomitron
Yeah, everyone has their ideas, but let's talk about something people rarely talk about here: science.
It has been widely known that in order to maximize production of lean muscle mass, you need to consume your numerical weight in grams in protein every day (as in, I consume AT LEAST 155g of protein). According to a somewhat recent Vanderbilt-Duke joint study, in order to maximize protein absorbtion and to minimize muscle canibalization, you should consume your protein (conventional wisdom says no more than 50g at a time, but there's no data to back that up) within 30 minutes of intense physical excercise. Furthermore, in order to maximize glycogen production, you should consume that protein with carbohydrates in a 4:1 ratio. That means you should be having AT LEAST 200g of carbs and around 40-50g of protein after intense rides. You might be able to get away with less protein, because you're not really looking for massive lean muscle gains as a cyclist (unless you're a sprinter). You can get fancier with BCAA's and creatine monohydrate, but it's silly if you don't provide those basic macronutrients. Cytosport makes a good product called "Muscle Milk" that I like a lot post workout/ride. They also make Cytomax, which is a great during-ride drink mix. They make these other supplements with d-ribose and pyruvate which actually increases your lactic acid threshold (i.e. less burn). They have their science down, and they even cite their studies on the label. Other than that, your best bet is as many simple and complex carbohydrates as you can eat. If you're like anyone who isn't ********, you're probably worried about diabetes from too much sugar. The trick is to look at how sugar exists in nature. It's almost always hand-in-hand with fiber. The amount of fiber you consume with sugar will give you the glycemic index, or glycemic load of a particular food. So long as your glycemic index is low, you can eat as many carbs as you want (because the load on your insulin levels is mitigated). Do some googling. Look at sites for triatheletes. Drink more water than you think you should, and try to eat fresh more often than not. |
it seems most people are readily admitting that vegetarian/vegan diets are better for you. whodda thought? but anyways. for work, honesty now, i get 2 bagels (oat bran, raisin and walnut or cinnamon raisin) and a lots o pulp orange juice from manhattan bagel (about 9am). sometime throughout the day i get a cookies and cream clif bar, a peanut butter builder bar, and a chocolate soymilk from traders joes. maybe i'll eat a "real" lunch consisting of some slices o gianna bbq "chicken" pizza or a "chicken" burger from govindas. that's what i eat while i'm working. home is usually some sort of take out or pbj. some fruits mixed in. veggie wraps (tortilla wrap spinach cucumber hummus sweet relish fake turkey berry salad dressing). good ****. i eat like crap. and i no longer am equipped with the magic mustache.
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Blueberries and organic (bulk bin) oatmeal. Get the frozen ones, their cheaper and have lots of antioxidants.
Beans, rice, cheese, and guac burrittos. Several a week, alternate without the cheese. Beer. Beer. Lots of greens, spinach, mixed greens. You can put this under most food, ie: pasta on greens. You don't even know its there but your colon will. |
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