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seitan is wheat gluten, or protein. ya make gluten flour into a dough, then boil it. it's a meat substitute. depending on the flour/water ratio, seasoning, and shaping you can use it to replace different types of meat. if you tug and pull on it enough, gently caressing it and squeezing it, perhaps you can treat it like your chorizo

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Originally Posted by drolldurham

i was flipping through some sort of biker magazine once when i found an article about what to eat after exercising. one of their suggestions for a quick grab after a ride was a mcdonald's chocolate milkshake. that must have been one of the few times in history where a mcdonald's product was suggested as something to help one stay in shape.

I've also heard that mickey's (and wendy's frosty) shakes are not that bad for you. Take my word with a grain of salt and eat/drink at your own risk. Surely if you have one every day you'll make yourself fat, even if it's just off the $ menu.

Strawberry Triple Thick® Shake:
Shake Mix: Whole milk, sucrose, cream, nonfat milk solids, corn syrup solids, mono and diglycerides, guar gum, imitation vanilla flavor, carrageenan, cellulose gum, vitamin A palmitate. Contains milk ingredients. Strawberry Syrup: Sugar, strawberries, water, high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, natural (vegetable source) and artificial flavors, pectin, citric acid, xanthan gum, potassium sorbate (a preservative), caramel color, FD&C Red #40, calcium chloride.

Seitan sounds interesting. Is it messy?

well, this sure makes it sound dirty: "if you tug and pull on it enough, gently caressing it and squeezing it, perhaps you can treat it like your chorizo"

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Originally Posted by humancongereel

well, this sure makes it sound dirty: "if you tug and pull on it enough, gently caressing it and squeezing it, perhaps you can treat it like your chorizo"

haha that was my intention

well, mission accomplished. at least that's actually true in this case.

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Originally Posted by Ready to Ruck

How do you get fat? I was eating 5 avocados a week (that's 350grams each of fat. though 300 was monounsaturated which is impossible to store, you only burn it really). I jumped ship from vegan after a year because I lost 30lbs and I was already at my ideal weight (according to BMI). so yeah the last two weeks involve me adding ice cream and cheese to my diet. I feel like I can't be vegan again unless my metabolism slows down.
edit: let me rephrase. I was ideal. Now I'm too skinny. I'm not eating fatty dairy-based foods to gain weight. yeah.

Get married. You won't get fat, but you should get a nice little paunch to show for it.

after all these super skinny veggie folks, I feel kinda fat :p

I usually only ride about 7-10 miles a day, commuting to classes and such, but I'm also a carpenter (so heavy lifting about 20 hours week, it's part of school for me) and a climber. I mostly live off of carbs, meat, cheese and beer, with some oatmeal for breakfast. post riding/climbing I usually consume as much meat as I can find and lots of water and a beer or two. I could definately eat a lot healthier, but atleast I don't like soda/junk food/fast food, so atleast I'm not consuming a lot of that crap, and I can always get up the next day and do it again no problem. 5'9" and 190lbs, little bit o' paunch, but plenty of upper body strength.

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Originally Posted by 40x14

Evan, what the * is seitan? can I manipulate it like I manipulate a chorizo? :p

Seitan is the greatest food ever. That's all you need to know. ;)

Seitan rulez! \||||/! I generally like to go for a tradition, delicious, open faced seitan sandwich to satiate my all-consuming, furious, hunger.

6'5" 220lbs.

Breakfast: protein shake optimum whey protein (much better tasting than designer whey) plus banana
whole wheat toast with omega 3 enriched margarine and some jam
11:00- Sandwich (cheese, yogurt mayo, mustard, lettuce or spinach)
12.30- Vegetable Soup
13.00- Another sandwich (see above)
14.00- Fruit
16.00 Another sandwich
17.00 Workout or ride followed by a protein shake
20.00 Dinner lots of vegis wholegrains and some source of protein

This diet keeps me big and strong and close to 1g protein per lb body weight.

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Originally Posted by vomitron

Yeah, everyone has their ideas, but let's talk about something people rarely talk about here: science.

It has been widely known that in order to maximize production of lean muscle mass, you need to consume your numerical weight in grams in protein every day (as in, I consume AT LEAST 155g of protein). According to a somewhat recent Vanderbilt-Duke joint study, in order to maximize protein absorbtion and to minimize muscle canibalization, you should consume your protein (conventional wisdom says no more than 50g at a time, but there's no data to back that up) within 30 minutes of intense physical excercise. Furthermore, in order to maximize glycogen production, you should consume that protein with carbohydrates in a 4:1 ratio. That means you should be having AT LEAST 200g of carbs and around 40-50g of protein after intense rides. You might be able to get away with less protein, because you're not really looking for massive lean muscle gains as a cyclist (unless you're a sprinter). You can get fancier with BCAA's and creatine monohydrate, but it's silly if you don't provide those basic macronutrients. Cytosport makes a good product called "Muscle Milk" that I like a lot post workout/ride. They also make Cytomax, which is a great during-ride drink mix. They make these other supplements with d-ribose and pyruvate which actually increases your lactic acid threshold (i.e. less burn). They have their science down, and they even cite their studies on the label.

Other than that, your best bet is as many simple and complex carbohydrates as you can eat. If you're like anyone who isn't ********, you're probably worried about diabetes from too much sugar. The trick is to look at how sugar exists in nature. It's almost always hand-in-hand with fiber. The amount of fiber you consume with sugar will give you the glycemic index, or glycemic load of a particular food. So long as your glycemic index is low, you can eat as many carbs as you want (because the load on your insulin levels is mitigated).

Do some googling. Look at sites for triatheletes. Drink more water than you think you should, and try to eat fresh more often than not.

all of the sudden i feel like youre a lot smarter than me.

it seems most people are readily admitting that vegetarian/vegan diets are better for you. whodda thought? but anyways. for work, honesty now, i get 2 bagels (oat bran, raisin and walnut or cinnamon raisin) and a lots o pulp orange juice from manhattan bagel (about 9am). sometime throughout the day i get a cookies and cream clif bar, a peanut butter builder bar, and a chocolate soymilk from traders joes. maybe i'll eat a "real" lunch consisting of some slices o gianna bbq "chicken" pizza or a "chicken" burger from govindas. that's what i eat while i'm working. home is usually some sort of take out or pbj. some fruits mixed in. veggie wraps (tortilla wrap spinach cucumber hummus sweet relish fake turkey berry salad dressing). good ****. i eat like crap. and i no longer am equipped with the magic mustache.

-jason

Blueberries and organic (bulk bin) oatmeal. Get the frozen ones, their cheaper and have lots of antioxidants.
Beans, rice, cheese, and guac burrittos. Several a week, alternate without the cheese. Beer. Beer. Lots of greens, spinach, mixed greens. You can put this under most food, ie: pasta on greens. You don't even know its there but your colon will.