i'll probably check them out next on my clip/straps setup, as these campy toe straps have worn out disappointingly fast. i've only had them since the end of the summer and the ratchet system on one of them is already starting to give out, and the leather is stretching.

i do have some sidi's on the way in the mail though, and can't wait to get them dialed in to these time atacs.

Maybe I'm crazy, but i ride clips/straps(gr-9, mks steel, cinelli single straps) and can't picture needing any better setup to be able to skid well. I have no troubles with skidding. Even when i was rocking my last pair of shoes, which were for the last 4 months completely bald onitsuka tigers, I never felt insecure.

I have about the same setup as you (Campy straps instead of cinelli). It's a decent setup but there's a way noticeable difference in skid ease and power transfer with MKS sylvan tracks and toshi doubles.

i can't wait to see how time atac compares to toshi 2x's though...

I can't tell the difference and I was using time atacs and sidi dom 5s

yeah...i was having problems with my mks sylvans for a while there, they were eating up my shoes, but i have two pairs now that are holding up really well, so once those start having trouble, then i'll worry about putting on a pair of gr-9s i have laying around.

the only time i don't rock the clips is when i use powergrips. i was curious about those and i'm not totally into them, but i run them on my mtb, since its main purpose is ****ty weather, where the roads might be slick and i might have to get out really fast. i don't feel as secure in them, which is weird--everyone else with them loves them, it seems.

I haven't heard from many people who sport toe clips, straps, and cleats. I used to use that setup on my roadie, and it was easy to dial in exactly the desired amount of retention by tightening or not tightening the straps. Couldn't walk in 'em though. I miss my old Nike road shoes; found them at the mall for $7.99. I think the shop ordered them by accident, considering the rest of their product mix.

EDIT: I briefly looked at a handful of retailers online, and couldn't find any road shoes whose description clearly stated that an adjustable slotted cleat was included.

i have an old pair of shimano 105s that have clips and straps, but appear to also have clipless capability. i find that really interesting, though maybe not the best thing on the road.

indeed - shants praise of the grips led me to try them and now I agree that fixed + powergrips = love

really? and you were using toshi doubles before that?

I go back and forth

you can get champs slotted cleats and they will fit just about any road shoe with a three bolt patter they bolt to the forward two bolts and have a small set screw at the rear of the cleat that you have to screw into the sole plate of the shoe just like the old days I use a set of nos diadora prisma road shoes I got at nashbar for 20 bucks a year ago when i get out to the track woks real fine

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imag...shidaBlack.jpghttp://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imag...s/Yoshida1.jpg

http://www.blueskycycling.com/produc...ess-Pedals.htm

50 dollars. no excuse not to get them. (I recently did, and I'm a happy camper!)

I switch back and forth between eggbeaters and straps and clips. I learned to ride fixed on eggbeaters and loved it and then went to mks slyvans and the mks steel clips when I had to send the pedals back to crank brothers. the left pedal felt sloppy with a new set of cleats and it had to do with a regularly loosening grease cap. they just replaced the entire spindle of the pedal. I later figured out that at least part of the sloppiness is due to have stiff the new shoes (sidi dominators 5) were compared to the old shoes (some lower end diadoras). clipess just feels better and I am looking forward to trying the new (vegan) some double straps. I currently have two sets of cheap nylon straps on each pedal. they are in an X pattern and hold much nicer than just a single strap.

I have actually pulled out of my eggbeaters when the cleats were pretty new (second pair of cleats to the pedals). I was doing dumb **** and wasn't in danger doing it. **** like skidding by not leaning forward at all so I was basically pulling straight up. That is the only time I have every had any problems while riding.

Idea: Clipless + Clip pedals :)

http://www.precisiontandems.com/cat_...pdplatform.jpg

The holes in the front of the pedal are for clips. I'm not sure if there are holes on the back end as well but that would be even better since you could flip the pedal over to the side without the clipless mechanism and it would be just like a regular platform.

Carry a little bike tool around and remove the clips+straps when you want to ride clipless (put em in your Chrome mess bag or something). Put em back on when you want to ride in normal shoes. If you're clever you can use wingnuts on the machine screws that attach the clips and you then you don't need the tool for removal.

I haven't tried this personally. I just swap clips+straps for clipless as needed, it only takes 5 minutes.

+1 to this. I run Shimano PDM540 pedals with generic Nashbar cleats set semi tight. The one time I have pulled out of these is when my heel was sticking outward too much on the upstroke. SPDs are not designed to disengage "straight up" but at an angle. Otherwise they would be rather useless.

I have a front brake for the oh **** moment and because I am old and cautious now. No longer am I the invincible youth that use to through himself off of big things with his skateboard.

i've tried to install straps on the other side of those half clipless pedals and always run into something. either no holes for the straps, or no clearance to get those little bolts in there or something. i'm sure it's possible, but i've never had any luck.

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