deathhare

What are you opinions?..i mean if you got one. I know it looks cool in the pic. Thinking of getting one.

eyefloater

Here's what's been said about it on BF:

https://tinyurl.com/oafsu

deathhare

thanks

somnambulant

*cough* aren't you selling one? *cough*

geog_dash

Fixedgear gallery just posted a review:
https://fixedgeargallery.com/framebuilders/pake/

I'm not sure if I agree with the "super stiff" fork finding. The front end of my Pake seems as congenial as that on any of my other bikes, even on 700x23c tires. Maybe I have mushy arms, or maybe the forks vary. Anyway, forks are easy to replace.

My Surly Cross Check may be more versatile, but my Pake is more fun.

ryand

baldylocks just picked up one of these frames. i haven't talked to him about how he likes it yet. and there was one parked down the street earlier today when i was bringing my lunch back to work.

xthugmurderx

i definitely don't agree. i agree with your disagree. the fork is fine (functionally, not aesthetically) but it gets the job done. get one, you'll like it. i throw mine. takes it like a champ. I'll try to get pictures next time i'm around a digicam

-jason

baldylocks

I just built one up last week and I love that thing. I built it cuz I wanted something to be a little harder on and xthugmurderx is 100% right, it takes it like a champ.

ka12na

Personally, I think that it's freakin' SLICK!

I want one. But I lack funds, and haven't ridden this Fuji frame into the ground yet. -_-;;

kyledr

I'm happy that I didn't get one. For the cost of the Pake framset and a little bit, I got a real track frame of columbus steel and campy/cinelli components. That's a rare find, but you can find good track bikes for cheaper than you can build up a pake.

eyefloater

Way to name drop. With all those well known brand names your bike must handle great and fit your perfectly!

deathhare

...and it must be fast as light

wearyourtruth

depends... you can always find good deals, i got my pake frame for $200 and a $20 fork. now find me a nice steel track frame for under $220.


as for my opinion of the pake (as an owner), i think it's a nice frame. it's a little heavy but it is clean and takes a beating. i thought the fetish and level frames that are always on ebay are freakin UGLY. didn't like the cable braze-ons on the cityfixed (nor the reputation of NYCbikes). though the spicer frame was in an ugly color (school bus yellow). so i was basically down to the mercier kiloTT and the pake. i bought the first one i found at the better price.

this was before i saw the green kiloTT's though, i wish i'd known those were coming!

however at $309? that's starting to get steep for me, i might splurge another $20 for an Angus.

vinnydelnegro

***Warning! Cynical Message Alert***

These Pake frames sure are pretty...seriously...I think they look really really nice. However, they're made with plain old 4130 (not even a treated version like true temper as far as I can tell). They weigh in at over 5 pounds and the fork is no featherweight either. I just have to wonder why people would consider buying these for $320 when they could pick up an old beater to convert. There are plenty of bikes out there made of 4130, a variety of Reynolds Steels, Tange Steels, etc for under $100....and I mean complete bikes that you can still use many of the old parts. I have 2 Treks right now that are incredible after 20 years. Even if you decided to get a paint job for the frame, it would still cost less than $100 for the paint. Anyhow....as I write this, it seems a bit jerky and judgemental...that's not my intention. I just feel a bit underinformed of why folks would go this route if they could pick up something used and old that is going to be cheaper and just as good. Am I just and old fogey that can't keep us with the times?

xthugmurderx

difference in geometry and bottom bracket height? that's a few reasons. i think that a rear facing track dropout is a whole hell of a lot easier to deal with that stupid road frames. i got mine at shop discount for $185. I had all the other components with the exception of a 27.0 seatpost and 1" threadless headset already (phil/open pro wheels, phil bottom bracket, sugino mighty cranks, bontrager stem and deda elementi drops) minus 27.0 seatpost and 1" threadless headset already...i can't really think of a reason not to get one. can you? sure they're heavy (roughly translated to "takes a beating") and the fork is ugly (but i hate when only aethestics are considered, you can keep your colored rims). I don't know. it works for what i use it for.

-jason

piwonka

it's all about geometry.

eyefloater

1" threaded headset? FSA Orbit X - it's even cartridge bearing. Done. A lot of shops still sell it w/out the fork, so you can provide your own (I got my frame at a co-op called the Bike Hub or something). You could either get a Steamroller fork for it which is lugged or pull a chromed road fork from the used pile of any bike shop.

The geometry of the bike is nice and the steel's tough. I couldn't give two ****s if it weighs a pound more than some other frame because I use it for my ****ing commuter - I'm not doing a time trial up the alpes.

vinnydelnegro

okay...for that price, it's DEFINITELY worth it. i have a few bikes right now and if I came across a Pake frame for $185, I would probably buy it. the geometry thing i'm not clear on. if you mean it has nice relaxed geometry, so does my 83 trek 400 that i picked up complete for $65....some would say I paid too much.

edit: I also don't give a flip what the fork looks like as long as it holds the wheel, fits in the head tube and holds the stem. however, it ain't light........

xthugmurderx

the geometry isn't all that relaxed. that's the point. it's the same as the rush, if i remember correctly. i dunno, i'll admit to talking crap on them a while back, but that was all unsubstantiated and stupid. they're nice frames for what they are.

msneeri2@hotmai

crap talker! comin' back to philly?

anyway, just built one o' these for a friend. we opted for a threaded fork. seemed pretty nice, not light, but it wasn't mind-bogglingly heavy either. i like that the decals were so easy to remove. seatpost was a ***** to get in, and yes i'm aware they are 27.0.

xthugmurderx

meh, mine is lighter than my friends full keirin level, so i win (i'm faster too (that's right tom)). and maybe someday, but i don't know when. ****s hit the fan.

-jason

gravityhurts

for the same $ you can pick a 56cm gt gtb on the bay

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MESE%3AIT&rd=1

deathhare

I wouldnt be caught within 100 feet of anything that GT made.

kyledr

=wearyouryouth

Okay, how about $250 built up? Do that with anything but the worst parts on a pake and I'll be impressed. If you're willing to look harder, it's easy to find a good bike at a good price that is much more personal than a mass-produced pake.

=eyefloater

I only dropped the names I needed to. Columbus indicates the quality of the steel--arguably the best. Campy and Cinelli indicate the quality of the components--also the best. If it were a track bike made out of cro mo or hi ten with ****ty parts it'd be a different story. If I was dropping names I would have told you what the manufacturer of the frame is, cause it is collectible, but I find the frame material and parts more important than who exactly made it, as long as the manufacturer knew what they were doing.. But what exactly I got doesn't matter as far as this topic is concerned.

And btw, it's not a fluke, I have two track bikes both columbus one high end parts one mid end parts both cases $250.

And oh yeah, both of them are 54 CM, ideal track size for my body. I don't reach too far on either of these bikes, and yeah, it does handle sweet. It's zippy and fun and I'm thrilled about it, you cynical bastards*.

*you does not necessarily mean you.

gravityhurts

whoa - easy there tiger

really?

not even their 853 reynolds track frames?

yet your considering one of the cheapest wannabe fixed gear framesets?