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Best Fixed Wheelset with Lacing?

Old 10-09-06, 03:08 PM
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Best Fixed Wheelset with Lacing for $300?

What is the best fixed wheelset for $300? Also what lacing pattern is best suited for city riding? Should i stick to the regular 'formula' hubs or go for a little more $ Ex.(surly, miche, or suzue promax?) Any advice appreciated?

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Old 10-09-06, 03:16 PM
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pick a hub with a sealed bearing and only consider 3x lacing. i've had two sets of surly hubs and found them to be great.
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Originally Posted by Gyeswho
What is the best fixed wheelset for $300?

Duhr.
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Originally Posted by TheRobbStory
Duhr.

Sorry.

Dude, I need the RIF link.
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To answer the OP It's going to be hard to build a sweet wheelset for $300. Remember you gotta add Parts + Shipping + Labor. It's possible. But, buying used might be better bet.

Keep in mind that Phil Wood/Velocity sets go for about $400 used (if you are lucky)

Mavic Ellipse are $400 - $450 new so you could probably score a set for $300. These are very good wheels. Plus the stickers come off for the all-black look.
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Old 10-09-06, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by carleton
To answer the OP It's going to be hard to build a sweet wheelset for $300. Remember you gotta add Parts + Shipping + Labor. It's possible. But, buying used might be better bet.

Keep in mind that Phil Wood/Velocity sets go for about $400 used (if you are lucky)

Mavic Ellipse are $400 - $450 new so you could probably score a set for $300. These are very good wheels. Plus the stickers come off for the all-black look.
BS he doesn;t need any of that crap. How many formulas have you heard of stripping with a decent cog? How many have have cracked flanges? The only flaw with them is the hardened locknut and that is easily replacable and only breaks from user "error" anyway. If you overtighten a phil you'll strip the bolt instead. It however serves a purpose to providing a much more secure connection then any non-hardened nut will.

Formulas and openpros 3x laced with dt comps by a talented builder IS a sweet wheelset and more then durable enough despite what the phil crowd will insist.
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Originally Posted by dutret
BS he doesn;t need any of that crap. How many formulas have you heard of stripping with a decent cog? How many have have cracked flanges? The only flaw with them is the hardened locknut and that is easily replacable and only breaks from user "error" anyway. If you overtighten a phil you'll strip the bolt instead. It however serves a purpose to providing a much more secure connection then any non-hardened nut will.

Formulas and openpros 3x laced with dt comps by a talented builder IS a sweet wheelset and more then durable enough despite what the phil crowd will insist.

1) "BS" "crap"? Why all the drama? Chill man. You come in the door pissin' all over people's shoes and then you wonder why people are upset with you.

2) No one was insisting anything from a Phil point of view. Yeah, I have Phils. But, I'd trade them for Mavics.

Chill, homie.
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Old 10-09-06, 04:13 PM
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check out IRO, all you need is a formula/velocity wheelset. As long as you do the upkeep (make sure the lockring is tight, take it to get trued when it eventually needs it), they'll last a long long time.
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Old 10-09-06, 04:22 PM
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i built my wheelset myself for under $200. formula hubs laced to mavic open pros. i found the rims lightly used for $20 each. if you find stuff locally, you don't have to pay ridiculous shipping. build them yourself and you'll save even more.
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Old 10-09-06, 04:23 PM
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that's assuming he already has a wheel stand.
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that's true...i bought a pyramid stand for $65, with the idea of doing $5 wheel truings(via craigslist) to pay it back. i haven't done that yet, but i keep telling myself i will.
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Originally Posted by Learn_not2burn
that's assuming he already has a wheel stand.
true it is much easier to build them with a wheel stand but i have built over 15 wheels by lacing them on my lap and then trueing them when they are on the frame or fork. you just need some tape taped to the seat stays and fork blades to act as guides .
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Old 10-09-06, 04:39 PM
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yeah, as long as you know that your stays and dropouts are aligned you don't really need the stand...it does make you feel all fancy though.
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Old 10-09-06, 05:22 PM
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open pros laced to phils with dt's. 32's maybe even 36. radial up front 3X in the rear. keep your eyes peeled round rent time.
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I laced my wheels 2x front and 2x in the rear (cuz i got my spokes cut too short) my mistake.

However, the wheels are still strong.

But I'd say never lace a rear wheel with anything less than 3X because the spokes creak sometimes.
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Old 10-09-06, 10:54 PM
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superspokes.com has a $200 deep v/formula combo. They hand build them in mass so you don't get to pick options (its a flip flop hub, 3x/3x i think, machined front and back, black definitely, maybe silver as well i don't remember) but a damn good deal imo. No secret that while not the lightest, they're bombproof. They've got some other deal sets with velocities or mavics on there too for about the same money. Their custom builds are pretty reasonable too...Mine should be here this week, can't wait. Charged $20 for shipping so not terrrrible...
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Originally Posted by carleton
1) Chill man. You come in the door pissin' all over people's shoes and then you wonder why people are upset with you.
not to get into an argument that doesn't involve me, but you've done the same thing to me you're accusing him of. dutret may not be very tactful, but i've yet to see him be wrong.


as for the OP....

trinitybicycles.com

they quoted me velocity aeroheads (or deep v's), black formula hubs (fixed/fixed, which is nice), black spokes, black nipples, for $270 shipped. any custom lacing pattern i wanted for an extra $15 per wheel.

i didn't end up going with them, cause i'm broke, but they seemed super awesome and at some point i definitely will.

orrrrrrrr, you can get formula/mavic cxp-22's for $130 from greatdealsonbikes.com. hand built. probably not quite as durable as velocities, but unless you're doing some seriously hardcore ****, they'll be more than fine.
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Originally Posted by carleton
1) "BS" "crap"? Why all the drama? Chill man. You come in the door pissin' all over people's shoes and then you wonder why people are upset with you.

2) No one was insisting anything from a Phil point of view. Yeah, I have Phils. But, I'd trade them for Mavics.

Chill, homie.

I don't think I have ever wondered why people are upset with me on this board.

He asked what the best wheelset he could get for 300 was. Should he get formulas or something slightly more expensive. You said that the best wheelset would be price dependent and asked how much he wanted to spend. Someone pointed out he had already said 300. You said he couldn't get a sweet new wheelset for that and even used phils/deepvs would be 400+ maybe he should get some used ellipses.

The statement that he couldn't get a sweet wheelset for 300 is absurd. Phils and deepvs aren;t that much better then formulas and open pros. More bling but not much more function. Same goes for ellipses but at least they weight slightly less then manhole covers. New well built formula/open pros are going to be better then either of your options with dubious histories. People simply don't need phils or ellipses for riding around.
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There was a thread for the best wheelset under $200... For under $300, maybe some Miche or Formula hubs laced to a nicer rim? The IRO wheels definitely do the job.

3x lacing is the only style I use, because it does the job and everybody knows it. If you break your wheel with a 3L-3T lacing, joe-blow down at the LBS might not know how to fix it. If you break your wheel with a radial lacing, you probably voided your warranty too.
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Originally Posted by carleton
To answer the OP It's going to be hard to build a sweet wheelset for $300. Remember you gotta add Parts + Shipping + Labor. It's possible. But, buying used might be better bet.

Keep in mind that Phil Wood/Velocity sets go for about $400 used (if you are lucky)

Mavic Ellipse are $400 - $450 new so you could probably score a set for $300. These are very good wheels. Plus the stickers come off for the all-black look.

I got a pair of IRO hubs, laced onto some Deep-V's for $250 inc shipping from the US to the UK.

Visit this guys site:
https://websites4ever.com/ergott/

Don't be put off by the bad website design, he's a wheel builder and not a web geek. If you want references search roadbikereviews, serotta forum, the road part of bike forums, etc... ergott is the man.

The only downside is that when I ordered he was busy moving house, so it took a while to fulfil the order. But he came through and the wheels are fantastic.
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Originally Posted by Aeroplane
If you break your wheel with a radial lacing, you probably voided your warranty too.
cracking a newish high flange that has only been used radially is pretty unlikely.
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Personally, I'd go:

- DT RR 1.1 rims (better and actually cheaper than open pros - I'd get the black ones, they're lighter than the greys)
- Formula hubs (you can now pick between silver, all black, black w/ silver cutouts on the flanges and pick between cartridge or cage bearings - I'd go cartridge)
- DT Competition spokes (double butted spokes will be stronger and lighter ... spend the cash and have better wheels)

Okay, so here's the actual wheelset I'm debating using for commuting (I weight 135#):

- DT RR 1.1 rims (28/32, black)
- Formula hubs (28/32, silver, fixed/free)
- DT Revolution spokes (2.0/1.5, 3x/3x, tied and soldered - I need the practice for track wheels)

I'm debating trying out the IRD Cadence rims ... I'll have to dredge through a few more rims and try to figure out if they're worth gambling on though. The only thing that bugs me about the DT rims is that I can't get them in silver (Open Pros don't come in 28H for the silver finish).
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This isn't very helpful, but don't forget about Ebay. I got a pair of Campy Record hubs laced to Mavic MA3's for $350.
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Originally Posted by dutret
I don't think I have ever wondered why people are upset with me on this board.

He asked what the best wheelset he could get for 300 was. Should he get formulas or something slightly more expensive. You said that the best wheelset would be price dependent and asked how much he wanted to spend. Someone pointed out he had already said 300. You said he couldn't get a sweet new wheelset for that and even used phils/deepvs would be 400+ maybe he should get some used ellipses.

The statement that he couldn't get a sweet wheelset for 300 is absurd. Phils and deepvs aren;t that much better then formulas and open pros. More bling but not much more function. Same goes for ellipses but at least they weight slightly less then manhole covers. New well built formula/open pros are going to be better then either of your options with dubious histories. People simply don't need phils or ellipses for riding around.
Hey man, my comment was about referring to my post as "BS" and "Crap".

Disagreeing and proving me wrong is one thing, but the insults are another.
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Originally Posted by carleton
Hey man, my comment was about referring to my post as "BS" and "Crap".

Disagreeing and proving me wrong is one thing, but the insults are another.
If I was able to prove you wrong how was your post not BS. "Crap" referred to the wheels you suggested he buy not you or even your post.

It is a certain type of BS that is absurdly prevelant in this forum too; Insisting the need for far superior products then are truly neccesary.
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