The funny thing is, I have some snowboarding mittens and they're basicly thick gloves inside a thin outer (mitten) shell. I thought they would suck but they're nice an warm.

I have some pearl izumi lobster gloves and I like them. They are pretty thin, but warm without bieng bulky. They aren't quite warm enough for sub freezing temps, other than that they're great.

pearl izumi lobster claws are amazing! i wore them today ~40 degrees and my hands were drenched in sweat.
windproof, water resistant and f-in warm. i wear them all winter, and have been fine. i don't generally ride when is drops below 20 tho.

http://www.velosportonline.com/smsim...nterswoosh.jpg
i might be getting these bad boys right here..

I just picked these:
http://www.nashbar.com/nashbar_photos/medium/AA-LGW.gif
up from Nashbar for $10 on sale. I haven't worn them in anything below ~40F, but so far they're toasty and comfy, and ya can't beat the price, although they're sold out of the larger sizes now.

Those look like something Dan Marino would sell.

jaypee and pinkrobe, can you comment on the thickness of the PI Infernos and the MEC lobster gloves? I think I'm in the same boat as you temp wise in Montreal, and I mostly wear polypro liners under neoprene paddling gloves because they're not thick and don't reduce mobility much, plus you can get a pair of cycling gloves over them. When it dips below -20C though, I use a pair of snowboarding gloves that are really bulky but very warm - but with any wind, the air goes right through the seams.

However, this combo is never toasty. It's my bare minimum to do an 8 to 10 km trip to or from work, and when it's very cold (less than -20C) I start to lose sensation in my fingers by the time I'm close to home. I just take mobility (while I can move my fingers, heh) over bulk.

To anyone who doesn't ride in temps below -10C/15F and doesn't have trips of more than a half an hour, I highly recommend polypro glove liners ($4 at mec in Canada) under your favorite cycling gloves - not toasty, but cool enough if it's above freezing, warm enough to get by until you get to serious cold.

If you want those Nike gloves without the swoosh, then get the Teo Sport Windtex gloves. They are the exact same thing, and they probably make the gloves for Nike anyway. Teo Sport also has a version with wool lining. If you order a pair, you might want to size up because they run small.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._1922_10728209

I have the gloves with the wool and the gloves without. They are both nice, but I prefer the ones without wool for mobility. The wool ones will work with slightly colder temps and they do better in rain, but they are bulkier. I would rate the the wool ones down to freezing, and the non-wool ones at around 40 F.

You can get them in red (pictured), black, or blue.

Thanks for all the informative responses. After looking at/trying on a bunch of different gloves, I've decided that you really don't get much for your money (like with most cycling specific clothing). I'm hard on my gear, and if I'm gonna spend 40-100 on a pair of gloves, I want something A-- not made in China/Phillipines/Macau. I know, stupid moral issue, but It's mine and I own it.
And B-- Not so damn cheap/shoddy looking.

So here's what I'm thinking. Silk liners, which I've always used and work great, underneath cheap army surplus wool liners, all covered up by a nice windproof/waterproof shell. Kind of like what I wear on my upper body when it's frigid out. It seems to work well, isn't too bulky, and is modifiable for different conditions. (The Magic of Layering!)

My quest now is to find the shell. Does anybody have any ideas for these that maybe aren't made by a cycling wear company? I don't mind paying top dollar for gear, as long as it lasts. Thanks again.

The MEC Nanu glitts are good to -20C + wind for me, but are not overly bulky. The design puts most of the insulation over the finger tips, so you can still grip the bar okay and get to the brakes, if so equipped. As to your comment about the wind cutting through your snowboard mitts, while you're at MEC, pick up a pair of shell mitts. They don't add insulation, but do dramatically cut down on wind/water penetration. If it's too warm, just take them off or combine them with another set of gloves/mittens.

I use my old football gloves. They're made of leather and have padding, not the greatest thing, but they get the job done. That for temps arond 20-39 or so. If I wear anything heavier, my hands will start to sweat...

I've spent a fortune on gloves.
The PI Inferno's work the best of all the mainstream gloves I have tried.

As for freebird's idea, I find wool liners with a windproof shell give very good performance if loose enough.
Get large enough gloves so that they remain loose with the liners inside them.

The REI Minimalists that I mentioned are basically a lightweight shell with a light microfleece lining. I'd bet that with silk glove liners they'd be fine for some pretty bitter weather. I've been using them (without any additional liners) in low 20 degree temps, and mid 30 degree rain for a 7.5 mile commute and my hands don't come anything close to getting cold. I also use them for late-spring to early-fall mountaineering, and they've held up remarkably well for being put to some harsh terrain (like scrambling on sharp mountain rock, and holding double-rope belays.) For under $40, I've beat the tar out of them for almost a year and a half and they haven't fallen apart yet.

I picked these up a few weeks ago cuz they were cheap (on sale) they are nowhere ner warm enough though, any other suggestions on the cheap?
REI Gloves

Since this thread is back, I ended up with some of these http://www.boure.com/8446.html and they're awesome. No cold hands at 16F which is about as cold as I go out in (to ride).

Thinsulate pop tops, not a cycling specific glove.

I got a pair of the PI lobster gloves, and rode in a -10 wind chill, and my hands were toasty.

I have a pair of Gore Windstoppers that I like quite well. Other than that I usually use rag wool gloves with fleece linings.

I purchased the Pearl Izumi Inferno gloves about two weeks ago after it got below 0 F here in central Ohio. One of the reasons I got them was because Ken Cox mentioned they were good (thanks Ken), and I've read posts from other people saying they liked them.

These gloves really are amazing. They have kept my fingers warm in below 0 F temperatures, and they are fairly breathable for how warm they are. Wind blockage is excellent, and the terry cloth wipe on each glove is large and soft. The design works well, and they look good too.

The only downside to these gloves is that I probably won't be able to wear them when it is above 40 F because they'll be too warm.

Amfibs on sale 32$-
http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/st...uctId=39243273
http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/st...uctId=39243283
http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/st...uctId=39243278

Woah, just noticed your question. I don't know if it's still relevant, but I'll respond anyway. The PI Infernos don't seem that thick at all. They're probably around the same thickness as your typical military surplus wool glove. I think their secret is that they're quite windproof and there's a lot of room (air space) around your fingers. The insulation is really surprisingly thin.

That said, I'm still loving them.