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ApolloCVermouth 11-05-06 09:58 PM

Track-end derailleur hanger
 
Has anyone managed to attach a derailleur hanger to a track-end? Can I buy such a thing? Here is an example posted in a previous thread:

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ntley30001.jpg

mander 11-05-06 10:00 PM

I know track-ish ends are available with hangers already attached (though I have a feeling this isnt quite wehat youre asking about). For example have a look at this GT touring/ CX/ SS frame:

http://c.im.craigslist.org/S5/AV/s7V...LSsohEVglF.jpg.

ApolloCVermouth 11-05-06 10:02 PM

Thanks, I'm more interested in attaching one after the fact.

baxtefer 11-05-06 10:09 PM

very low-end derailleurs come with an integrated hanger

http://www.eshop-gorgona.com/catalog/images/RD-TX50.jpg

jim-bob 11-05-06 10:12 PM

What's the spacing on your frame? If it's 120, all you'll be able to find without respacing it are 5-sp and ultra 6-sp freewheel hubs.

Also, you'll probably end up running full housing from shifter to derailleur, and that's going to kind of suck, too.

Hub gears might be a better bet.

Kennetht638 11-05-06 10:14 PM

There's this

http://www.on-one.co.uk/images/pagemaster/hanger_ps.jpg

Not sure if it works with non on-one frames, and it looks to be sold out as well.

freeskihp 11-05-06 10:51 PM

I have an old school shimano derailur sitting next to me that has an integrated hanger

sivat 11-05-06 11:34 PM

One one hand:

there's this.

On the other hand, I can't think of a more off topic question for this forum.

endform 11-05-06 11:36 PM

don't buy sandals for your job if you wade through **** all day.

evanyc 11-05-06 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by sivat
One one hand:

there's this.

On the other hand, I can't think of a more off topic question for this forum.

do you think people who don't ride bikes with track ends would have much of an idea about track end derailleur hangers? where else should this be posted?

sivat 11-06-06 12:15 AM


Originally Posted by evanyc
do you think people who don't ride bikes with track ends would have much of an idea about track end derailleur hangers? where else should this be posted?

Fair enough. But I though the idea of this forum was to get rid of derailleurs... Or at least pretend like we don't like them.

Ceya 11-06-06 12:36 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Here are the ones I have from Nemoto san of RAP (keirin builder in Tokyo).


I have 3 of them.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...3&d=1162794953

They fit perfectly on track ends. You can fit tugs (MKS etc) on the rear also.

S/F,
CEYA!

pics in attachment don't show.

seaneee 11-06-06 12:58 AM

Couldn't you just get a older derailleur and flip the hanger so it goes the otherway? You might have to do a bit of grinding, but it should work.

Ceya 11-06-06 01:03 AM

for the RAP it has a piece that slides on the track ends so it fits perfectly.

S/F,
CEYA!
231 years of 24/7 protection.

seaneee 11-06-06 02:15 AM

Check this:

Suntour BMX Derailleur

Needs some TLC but might do the trick

onetwentyeight 11-06-06 02:21 AM

http://static.flickr.com/113/286117206_b686f9032a_o.jpg

absentrs fiances bike... time trial styleeeeeee

Leif-fire-eater 11-06-06 08:17 AM

Man Ceya knows everything!! I'm never not amazed with the amount of bike knowledge he has.

ApolloCVermouth 11-06-06 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Ceya
for the RAP it has a piece that slides on the track ends so it fits perfectly.

S/F,
CEYA!
231 years of 24/7 protection.

So when you run a derailleur, what sort of wheel do you use? I can see now that spacing the rear triangle from 120 to 130mm for a normal road wheel would be a bit of a stretch. Were'nt the older freewheel wheels something like 126mm?

BTW- I'm just asking this because I think a bike with track geometry, bullhorns, TT levers, a single front ring with 5 to 8 gears in the back + a bar-end friction shift would be super fun to try esp. with a frame drilled for a rear brake. I like riding fixed.

Thanks for all the replies.

dirtyphotons 11-06-06 08:53 AM

there's always shimano nexus as well

edit: only the 3 speed hub comes in 120mm spacing. you could cold set a steel frame to 127 for the 7 speed though.

Ceya 11-06-06 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by ApolloCVermouth
So when you run a derailleur, what sort of wheel do you use? I can see now that spacing the rear triangle from 120 to 130mm for a normal road wheel would be a bit of a stretch. Were'nt the older freewheel wheels something like 126mm?

BTW- I'm just asking this because I think a bike with track geometry, bullhorns, TT levers, a single front ring with 5 to 8 gears in the back + a bar-end friction shift would be super fun to try esp. with a frame drilled for a rear brake. I like riding fixed.

Thanks for all the replies.


Yes old 5 speeds were like 126 spacing. you can use your 120 hubs also and just use a freewheel.

They used (the latter) set up like this for Hill climb TT or TT that are flat and there is no need to change gears.

I will post better pics of it later.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...4&d=1162794967



S/F,
CEYA!

Ceya 11-06-06 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Leif-fire-eater
Man Ceya knows everything!! I'm never not amazed with the amount of bike knowledge he has.


Thanks! I don't know it all. 11.4, 165 and alot of others know stuff too.


S/F,
CEYA!
USMC - 231 yrs of protection, 24/7!

battles 11-06-06 01:30 PM

Just wondering ... why are you doing this? Do you just have track frames and want to ride a geared one without buying a new bike?

Sammyboy 11-06-06 01:41 PM

Back in the 60's, a lot of British handbuilt frames didn't have derailleur hangers. Instead, there was a claw rather like the integrated hanger in the pic, which the regular derailleur screwed into, and which clamped into the dropout. I have even had Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleurs with this arrangement, on old Mercians and Claud Butlers. Might work in your situation. I probably have one on a crappy derailleur that I can send you. PM me, and I'll take a look.

I presume you want the quickness of track geometry, with gears? I always had that idea when I was a kid. Never tried it though.

ApolloCVermouth 11-06-06 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by battles
Just wondering ... why are you doing this? Do you just have track frames and want to ride a geared one without buying a new bike?

Like Sammyboy says I'd like a really quick handling geared bike. I've got a Spicer steel frame coming which I'll mostly ride fixed but I'd like to try this out. Right now I'm thinking of using the cheapo Shimano Derailleur with the integrated hanger:

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...%20Derailleurs

I'll use it with a friction shifter on one of these 11-28 Megarange 7sp freewheels (I'll need to spread the frame to 126mm)
http://sheldonbrown.com/mega7/

I don't think I'll need to limit myself to one long length of cable housing. I have some slick removable cable stops from an old Nishiki frame and I'll find one of those over-the-bottom bracket cable guides.

The main challenge so far seems to be finding a decent 6/7 sp. freewheel hub to make the wheel out of (any suggestions?) and attaching a cable stop to the chainstay (pipe clamp+ inner tube might work).

On the front I'll have a jumpstop chain deflector (which work really well), one 44tooth ring, and a bashguard (if I can find one that fits). I'm pretty stoked to try this out. I'm not sayin' its not a dumb idea.:)

queerpunk 11-06-06 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
http://static.flickr.com/113/286117206_b686f9032a_o.jpg

absentrs fiances bike... time trial styleeeeeee

holy ****, i want that frame.


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