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Old 01-04-07, 03:59 PM
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Redline Bicycles 925

Hey all,
Craig here from Redline Bicycles, I'm one of the product managers and currently working on 2008 specifications for our 925 single speed/ fixie. I want all your comments on how we can make this thing better for next year... and for those who might not be familiar, here's our 2007. https://www.redlinebicycles.com/adultbikes/925.html. Your comments over the next couple of days will have an impact over what you'll see next July/ August. Here's a couple of questions:
1) Keep the moustache bar and go with a drop??
2) Canti brakes or the long reach side pulls??

What else should we change... or keep??

Let me know... any and all comments are welcome!
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At my local shop I saw a lot of the chain guards removed, and moustache handlebars switched out for risers and drops.

some good additions would be:

-Fix/fix threaded rear hub- the most versatile hub- you can run every combination from 2 freewheels to 2 fixed cogs with a fix/fix hub
-Real toe clips w/straps, not the mini toe clips on there now. Even if they are cheapy plastic toe clips with nylon straps.

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my $.02

changes - handle bars options maybe a choice between the riser/ flatbar model and the moustache bars ( I personally love em)
brake cable guides move them to ontop of the top tube if possible
and maybe change the brakes to canti bosses I have alot of friends who have looked at this bike and said "with geometry like that it would be great for cross but..."

all and all you have a really solid commuter with a little mod here and there you would have a really rad commuter cross bike

oh or maybe try an old school randonneur style bar
maybe mount a bell to one of the h/s spacers too it would ad mondo commuter chic

I am pretty seriously interested in on of your 925s if you relocated the cable guides and went with cantis

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I don't have a lot to say about the 925, but I think it's awesome you guys are taking the time to ask.
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Make it available in big frame sizes. Like, big. 67! Ok, 65. Ok, 63 at least.
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I'd say make it capable of running 42c tires, go half way with the bars and put on some flared cross drop bars, and go with cantis. I guess what I'm saying is make it an SS cross bike really.

Also that bell suggestion is nice. I second the toe clip and cable routing suggestion as well.
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Rack mounts, real clip and strap set-up, flat bars. If you wanted to turn it into more of a commuter than a 'cross bike, I'd go with some sort of light system. Maybe a generator?

I'd try to keep it at a similar price because of all the other options out there (but I'm sure you already know this).
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1) i'd go for a drop bar. around here most of the 925s i see have swapped out the bar. you might be scaring off some buyers with the "weird" bars (not that there's anything wrong with moustache bars)

2) definetly go for the cantis. the calipers and the "limited" clearance prevented me from buying one. if you got cantis and clearance for 35c's with fenders then you'd be set.

- keep the fenders, ditch the chainguard
- don't swap out the brake levers for something cheaper. those tektros are great
- a fix/fix hub would be nice
- rack mounts

i wouldn't go for a dynohub. While i own one and love it i think it would scare a bunch of people off price-wise
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- thanks for posting your request for info... i've visited a number of Redline dealers down here, but it seems that no one stocks frames (everything is special order?)... it would be great if a few dealers had at least one model in a popular size to show off!

- i have two ss/fixies (one specific and one home-brewed [see sig]), and wanted to try out a 925, but alas, none around... (i also really wanted one of your Ti 'cross frames, but only found one on-line dealer w/a too-large frame - had to go w/a steel Serotta Fierte)...

- my US$0.02:

1. keep fix/freewheel (flexibility is better, IMO)
2. cantis are great (cheaper pads)
3. drop the mustache bar
4. route cable up top tube
5. add seat tube cage (none on current/'07 frame?)
6. as others have mentioned, use 'real' toe clips w/straps
7. 700x25s or 700x28s

- good luck and hope you get lots of good input!
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Originally Posted by el twe
Rack mounts, real clip and strap set-up, flat bars. If you wanted to turn it into more of a commuter than a 'cross bike, I'd go with some sort of light system. Maybe a generator?

I'd try to keep it at a similar price because of all the other options out there (but I'm sure you already know this).
Thanks all.... keep it coming!! I really appreciate it.....
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I agree with the clip suggestion. They need to have a strap and be full sized; and I even prefer plastic and nylon over metal and leather.

I don't care for the mustache bars, but that's just my personal opinion, and is mostly because I don't find it aesthetically pleasing.

A lighting system and/or rack mounts could be nice, but not at the risk of upping the price tag, because the 925 is at a very competitive retail price, which is quite nice.

Kudos on asking for opinions.
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I love these threads. The 925 already seems like a cool bike, but:

I like the idea of at least including the canti bosses on the frame and fork. I do not think you necessarily need to provide the actual brake, but it would be a nice option to have the bosses for some flexibility in set up.

I agree with the full pedal cages & bell suggestions. Bells are cool, and bells on tapped headset spacers are even cooler, IMO.

A rear rack standard might be nice if it was of good quality.
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For the 3 of you that have suggested adding rack mounts- they are already there on the frame- take a closer look. Adding low rider mounts on the fork would be icing on the cake, and probably wouldn't add any cost.

I don't understand the suggested change in rear brake cable routing.

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I believe the cable routing is for shouldering the bike while going up/down stairs or running it in a 'cross race. And I didn't realize rack mounts were there already.
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Oh, and I like the current mustache bars. It is one of the reasons I like the bike. It could also be cool to see something like the midge bars offered by On One.
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Originally Posted by el twe
I believe the cable routing is for shouldering the bike while going up/down stairs or running it in a 'cross race. And I didn't realize rack mounts were there already.
Very true, I do hate taking those little guys in the shoulder...
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Here's a radical idea.

forward-facing horizontal dropouts

Seriously - track ends and fenders are a silly combo, and most people I see riding these leave the fenders on and consider them an attractive feature of the bike. Most 925 owners I've seen embrace the commuter-ness of the bike and don't try to give it the "street track" treatment. If you could develop some smart kind of chain tug system for the dropouts you'd really have something cool.

I vote for drop bars - something Noodle-ish would be very cool. I don't like the baby mudflap on the fenders either. They're ugly, relatively useless, and make it harder to add your own real mudflap.

Cantis would be cool if they meant more tire clearance, but if not I wouldn't bother. Disc mounts would be cool though. Actually keeping the long reach calipers and adding disc mounts would be quite cool. That way if the owner wanted to upgrade to disc there wouldn't be unsightly canti posts left over. Disc mounts open up the can of worms of rear spacing and rear hub type, but bolt-on cogs are available (though not cheap as far as I know). I guess if you wanted folks to have the option of upgrading to disc in back 130 or 135 spacing would be needed, which further un-track-ifies the bike though.

Who is making a cheap, simple, disc-compatible road/cross-style commuter right now though? Nobody.

Edit: And don't spec a dynohub. Cheap dynohubs are sucky. People who want this stuff are willing to pay to get something decent. Keep this a cheap bike!
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I'd rather see a drop or a flat bar, mustache bars are great but they're also very much of a niche component
Rack eyelets (front and rear if you were feeling awesome)
Canti brakes

It could be a great affordable fixie/ss commuter/tourer/cross rig

Whats the MSRP?

Do those of us who give advice and suggestions get a discount?
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Originally Posted by marqueemoon
Here's a radical idea.

forward-facing horizontal dropouts

Seriously - track ends and fenders are a silly combo, and most people I see riding these leave the fenders on and consider them an attractive feature of the bike. Most 925 owners I've seen embrace the commuter-ness of the bike and don't try to give it the "street track" treatment. If you could develop some smart kind of chain tug system for the dropouts you'd really have something cool.
Best idea of the thread. Horizontal dropouts are far superior to track ends.
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Originally Posted by BostonFixed
Best idea of the thread. Horizontal dropouts are far superior to track ends.
Esp. when running a rear brake and using a flip flop hub.
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Originally Posted by Rancid

Do those of us who give advice and suggestions get a discount?
- heh! life is rarely that good to me!

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- oh, and marqueemoon, IIRC, the Surly KarateMonkey frameset handles discs?
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Wider tire capability, more versatile hubs, better pedals, canti brakes (or if you want to be internet literate, "breaks") and handlebar choice would make that a great bike. It would be good for commuting, riding around, or SS/FG cyclocross.

Also, marketing. Utilize your marketing team.
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ooh, disc brakes capability and horizontal dropouts are also great suggestions.

You could even go ahead and put a derailleur hanger on it and have a super versatile and customizable frame.

Some people also like the option of buying a frame/fork set rather than a complete bike.
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This is great a Rep actually cares what real commuters think !!!!


I love the 925. Id go with shallow drop bars but a slightly longer head tube
with extra spacers so every rider can adjust when necassary.
Stay with the fix-freewheel hub. 70 inch's for the fix side
No Cantis'......SidePulls only !!
700x38 Gatorskins or Armadillos.....
W-I-D-E pedals sort of like MKS GR-9's that are comfortable to non-cycling shoes.
Medium Matte blue ?!?!?
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Originally Posted by BostonFixed
For the 3 of you that have suggested adding rack mounts- they are already there on the frame- take a closer look. Adding low rider mounts on the fork would be icing on the cake, and probably wouldn't add any cost.

I don't understand the suggested change in rear brake cable routing.

if you have ever races cross or watched a race you have to portage your bike and run considerable distances when you have a cable guide digging into your sholder it sucks!!!

also moon disc brakes aren't legal in cross racing yet
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