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pitboss 01-29-07 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by tempo
Just go to EAI directly and get a new one. they're just outside of LA.

worst idea ever

do you take a defective car back to the plant it was built in or the shop you bought it from?
contact the shop - see what they say, and then contact EAI based on the shop response.

vjp 01-29-07 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by jacobs

Don't idolize/glamorize this crap Taiwan labor, it's just that, and these things are bound to happen on a percentage of frames when you pay this little for them.

It is made in Italy, and like anything else in life, you get what you pay for. If a company wants a good product manufactured for them then they pay the price, if they want cheap...

Taiwan, Vietnam and other Asian countries have more state of the art manufacturing facilities than you would think.

vjp

schnee 01-29-07 10:41 AM

Why was England never big in the manufacture of computers?

They couldn't find a way to make them leak oil.
(ba dum tish)

mcatano 01-29-07 10:43 AM

No one really knows where they're made (or at least, I've never read anything conclusive on the subject from anyone with any kind of first hand knowledge), as there are different rules in every country over what requirements a product has to meet for it to be "made in" that country.

pitboss 01-29-07 11:01 AM

Yes, they do know where they are fabricated - Italy.
EAI contracted a builder in Italy to design an entry level track frame and then assemble it. I trust what I have been told by the owners as they have no reason to state otherwise.

I really think that worrying about the politics of your bike can be a bit overwhelming at times.

auk 01-29-07 11:01 AM

Italian steel, Asian build facility. Nothing wrong with either of those, just a bad weld. Certainly something that doesn't take two pages to understand. Contact the point of purchase and go from there.

auk 01-29-07 11:02 AM

[165], I stand corrected.

pitboss 01-29-07 11:23 AM

well, who knows. I can agree to just be okay with the fact that they are nice frickin' bikes.

the OP should get in touch with the shop, and go from there. And if the shop balks, EAI are very cool folks and would like to hear about their frame for sure. Just don't go to them off the bat.

SingleSpeeDemon 01-29-07 11:34 AM

^^^ I agree...these smaller operations have a great deal vested in customer service. I'd be surprised if EAI wouldn't stand behind their product.

Retem 01-29-07 05:47 PM

whats the dudes name I think its a t name he is a good guy an is really helpful man too drunk last time I saw him ha

jacobs 01-29-07 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by vjp
It is made in Italy, and like anything else in life, you get what you pay for. If a company wants a good product manufactured for them then they pay the price, if they want cheap...

Taiwan, Vietnam and other Asian countries have more state of the art manufacturing facilities than you would think.

vjp


Even being made in Italy, it stands to the same principles. You get what you pay for, and that bike is absurdly cheap considering the materials invested in it.

Retem 01-29-07 06:22 PM

yeah but bareknuckles are still sick arent they?

and the brass knuckle sweet welds are ugly but it is really nice

mihlbach 01-29-07 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by jacobs
Even being made in Italy, it stands to the same principles. You get what you pay for, and that bike is absurdly cheap considering the materials invested in it.


Oh come on, its not absurdly cheap....the tubes are good, but still near the bottom of the Dedaccia tubesets...the same tubes are on the Kona Paddy Wagon which you can buy complete for not much more than a Bareknuckle frame and fork.

baxtefer 01-29-07 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by jacobs
Even being made in Italy, it stands to the same principles. You get what you pay for, and that bike is absurdly cheap considering the materials invested in it.

DW is that you?

mcatano 01-29-07 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by [165]
I can agree to just be okay with the fact that they are nice frickin' bikes.

Truth.

I didn't mean my comment to come off as a slag against Taiwan-made bikes, just a statement about the confusing nature of international manufacture.

mascher 01-29-07 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by mcatano
Truth.

I didn't mean my comment to come off as a slag against Taiwan-made bikes, just a statement about the confusing nature of international manufacture.

A lot of the cheap Canadian brands (Peugeot, AVP, etc) count or used to count as made in Canada because the frames are painted here, and the complete bikes are boxed here. The biggest distributor/rebrander of these bikes here even tried to get a law passed protecting them against non-Canadian companies (basically every brand that's not Cervelo, Argon 18 and a handful of others) by taxing them a huge amount (30% I believe) for selling "imported" bikes, when theirs were the same thing, but they had a home office north of the 49th.

Not saying that's the case for the EAI frames, and I don't know about the USA's laws on this.

jacobs 01-29-07 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by mihlbach
Oh come on, its not absurdly cheap....the tubes are good, but still near the bottom of the Dedaccia tubesets...the same tubes are on the Kona Paddy Wagon which you can buy complete for not much more than a Bareknuckle frame and fork.

Kona's are a good deal as well.

COM12.5 is a huge step up from straight gauge 4130, and last I checked Surly's weren't far off in price.

mihlbach 01-29-07 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by jacobs
Kona's are a good deal as well.

COM12.5 is a huge step up from straight gauge 4130, and last I checked Surly's weren't far off in price.

I'm pretty sure Surly's aren't straight gauge 4130 either, but nonetheless cheaper than a Bareknuckle in cost and materials.

baxtefer 01-29-07 09:11 PM

Surlys are DB.
a Pake however, is SG 4130, and the price difference there is significant.

EyeRobot 01-29-07 09:24 PM

Eff Bareknuckles.

Whichever dude said "Get a pista." was right... or get something lugged.

Retem 01-29-07 10:29 PM

paddy wagon frameset 289 at bike man

Momentum 01-30-07 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by dutret
lord knows american doesn't nor british for that matter.

I guess you are left with japanese and german if you are going to make a choice based on absurd over generalizations.

That was kind of my point - generalisations don't work.


Originally Posted by schnee
Why was England never big in the manufacture of computers?

They couldn't find a way to make them leak oil.
(ba dum tish)

Haha - I like that

LóFarkas 01-30-07 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by ieatrats
cheap Canadian brands (Peugeot)

Huh?

mascher 01-30-07 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by LóFarkas

Originally Posted by ieatrats
cheap Canadian brands (Peugeot)

Huh?

Peugeot is probably the most common brand of totally junk older bike you'll find in Canada along with Velo Sport, especially Quebec - except for the fancy one (UO-10?) and maaaaaybe the cheaper version of that one, I've never ever seen one that was anything but gaspipe tubing with junk components, and I've seen a lot of these bikes. I had a UO-8 (at least going by the decals) in my backyard that I was going to use because it was my size more or less, and man that was a heavy bike, it had to be a 9 or 10 pound frame if my Surly is 5 or 6. I would guess that they made the one or two really nice models in France until the mid 70s, then everything was "made in Canada" Peugeot rebranded Canadian Tire bikes.

A couple years ago the big Cdn rebrander started using the name again for a range of low-end bikes along with Miele. All junk.

baxtefer 01-30-07 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by LóFarkas
Huh?

think bikesdirect, canadian edition..... (minus the direct part)


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