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Soma Rush or Bob Jackson Vigorelli?

Old 02-26-07, 01:44 PM
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Soma Rush or Bob Jackson Vigorelli?

For commuting (10 miles each way), goofing around (mileage unspecified) and winter training rides (maybe 30-40 miles-ish).

Any Bob J or Soma owners (or anyone else) with an opinion?

Will the Rush track geometry be too twitchy for longer training rides?

Thanks.
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Old 02-26-07, 01:56 PM
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i own neither, but don't see how it's even any contest.

if you have the means, why not the vigorelli?

where in the dc suburbs are you?

edit: the only real track geometry bike i ever had was a fuji track pro and i found it quite comfy on long rides.
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Old 02-26-07, 02:25 PM
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For commuting and locking up in any city, I would go for the cheapest, or less expensive looking bike. Between those two, I would go with the Soma.
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Old 02-26-07, 02:59 PM
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i've owned neither, but would go with the bob jackson in a heartbeat.
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Old 02-26-07, 04:03 PM
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the bob jackson is reynolds 631.
the vigorelli has a steep seat angle but the head tube angle is pretty relaxed with a large amount of rake on the fork. it's not aggressive track geometry.

i would go bob jackson for sure.
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Old 02-26-07, 04:04 PM
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get the jackson if your gunna spend the money on a rush if notbuy a mercier and swap the wheels out or just build a conversion for commuting and locking up thats what I do
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Old 02-26-07, 04:57 PM
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i have 2 rushes, if they make a new color i will have 3 then..
 
Old 02-26-07, 05:33 PM
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i just recently finished putting my soma together and i really really like it. i havent taken on any far rides, but the 5-7 mile rides i have done have been quite comfortable
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Old 02-26-07, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by larry e.
i just recently finished putting my soma together and i really really like it. i havent taken on any far rides, but the 5-7 mile rides i have done have been quite comfortable
I'm hoping to finish up my Rush by this weekend.

I'll post teh pixxx.

Also note, they are now made with Tange Prestige, not 631.
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Old 02-26-07, 07:25 PM
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I don't have either of them, but I've seen both. I would get the Jackson if I had the means and sit at home and carress it with a diaper while leaning my head intimately to the headtube, whispering sweet nothings to it.

I'm not saying Jacksons are the best bikes in the world but they are pretty to me. That being said, the SOMA would be a much better commuter and would be my choice for the needs you've described, especially if it's a winter bike.
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Old 02-27-07, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugen
I don't have either of them, but I've seen both. I would get the Jackson if I had the means and sit at home and carress it with a diaper while leaning my head intimately to the headtube, whispering sweet nothings to it.
now that i have this image in my head, i change my vote to the rush.
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Old 02-27-07, 04:35 AM
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I love my Soma, and have done 50-60 mile rides on it without finding it too be too twitchy. I think they're pretty different bikes though, so I'm not sure if they can really be compared.
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Old 02-27-07, 08:06 AM
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I've owned both. I still own the Bob Jackson since that's what I replaced the Soma with.

Ironically or not, the Soma Rush -- the older version with Reynolds tubing -- was what got me into getting the Bob Jackson with the 631.

I've done metric centuries (62+ milers) on both. The Bob Jackson is much more to my liking -- very comfortable over long distances and as I'm fond to tell people, "This is the best frame I've ridden yet." When I get a custom, I'll be building the geometry around the Bob Jackson. It fits me so well. I look forward to riding it whenever I'm about to get out. I have other nice bikes, but that's the one that rules them all.

The Soma's a nice frame. I rode it hard. It served me well and aside from some pain at 50 miles or so -- you can blame this on different set-ups and that at that time, I had recently separated my collarbone -- it was a good frame. If I had set it up more comfortably, it probably would have been fine.

That said -- for me, on the street and road, a less aggressive and highly comfortable frame is where I'm at. I leave my aggressive track bikes for the track.





Which looks more like this, these days:


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Old 02-27-07, 08:44 AM
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bob jackson has lots of nice colors too...that blue ^ is real nice.
this geometry is different than the vigorelli.


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Old 02-27-07, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by absntr

Which looks more like this, these days:

I'm glad you're using race blades that can quickly break away if ice were to clog 'em up. That bike is pretty much perfect as it stands (in the snow and slush).
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Old 02-27-07, 09:10 AM
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Indeed -- I've been told to use zipties for more security but I'm concerned about theft for one (I can take them with me if need be), and that they release if anything got stuck in there. I love that bike.
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Old 03-04-07, 11:13 PM
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decals

did you take the decals off? or did you request that they not put them on?
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Old 03-05-07, 02:44 AM
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Having owned a Rush and ridden a Vigorelli, I'd also take the Vigorelli. I found the Rush a little 'dead' compared to other track bikes I've owned. It was a fine ride but it never got me excited.
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Old 03-05-07, 05:47 PM
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Just ordered the Vigorelli. Thanks for all the advice!
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Old 03-05-07, 07:42 PM
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Bob Jackson all the way.
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Old 03-05-07, 08:44 PM
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Old 03-05-07, 09:24 PM
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what color?
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Old 03-05-07, 09:33 PM
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i love my pinktastic jackson, but it's fully custom and a different tubeset. i've ridden the hell out of it--a few centuries and lots of training-for-nothing. it's like freebasing with ricahrd pryor.
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