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Sugino RD Messenger 165mm

Old 03-02-07, 09:11 PM
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Sugino RD Messenger 165mm

i saw before that sugino was usuing 175mm crank arms and redrilling them with a hole placed at 165mm...that scared me for a minute there cause i had ordered this crankset then i saw that post afterwards and i thought it looked really stupid that way..well i received my crankset today and i guess all the new ones actually have a 165mm crank arm since my hole was drilled in the center of the blob at the end of the crank arm..just wanted to let everyone know that sugino has fixed this issue...and heres a pic to prove it..


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Old 03-04-07, 05:11 AM
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Is this crank available with black crank arms?
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Old 03-04-07, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by schwinn
Is this crank available with black crank arms?
Yeah why bother actually typing it in Google or anything.

(The answer is yes.)
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Old 03-04-07, 06:03 PM
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I thought I read that they used 170mm cranks and drilled offset to set the pedals in the 165mm position.

Those look mighty nice. I might just order them for my flat-black IRO
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Old 03-04-07, 06:14 PM
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heres a photo with that hole off center....it is very obvious in this photo but i never payed attention to it til i saw the thread about it...just for comparison..its really bad looking.

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Old 03-05-07, 07:47 AM
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I just wanted to point out, as it had been pointed out on previous threads, that having the drilling not as far out doesn't affect the performance of the crank at all. The only disadvantage is that the crank weighs about 5 grams more than it would if they cut off that extra length. It doesn't cause unecessary pedal strike, and I would bet that it doesn't weaken the crank arm to any extent worth complaining about.
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Old 03-05-07, 07:55 AM
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I think he wasnt worried about weight or performance..it just looks dumb and shows a short cut.
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Old 03-05-07, 11:41 AM
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I got a set of these cranks a few weeks ago and they look right. Whew.
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Old 03-05-07, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Aeroplane
It doesn't cause unecessary pedal strike,
It actually replaces some pedal strike with crank strike with is preferable in my mind.
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Originally Posted by deathhare
I think he wasnt worried about weight or performance..it just looks dumb and shows a short cut.
a shortcut that avoided another step in the manufacturing process that saved money. whether it saves Sugino money or saves buyers money, i do not know.

i probably wouldn't have noticed the difference if people hadn't mentioned it. but no matter, i have no plans to buy RDs anyway.
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Old 03-05-07, 12:07 PM
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Looks dumb?

Put a set of pedals on and I seriously doubt most people will notice and even fewer will care.
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yea i dont think anyone would really notice it and im sure it wouldnt bother anyone either..like stated before it was just to point it out..
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I noticed it and the crank strike really bothered me until I realized it would have probably been pedal strike otherwise. Now I like it cause it keeps my pedal from getting trashed.
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Crank strike? You guys are joking right? The pedal is going to hit WAY before that extra 5mm-15mm or whatever of metal on the crank is going to.

This is routine on most lower level and even some high end cranks. It is all about cost savings...but it looks like butt, weather or not you will see it with a pedal on or not.
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Old 03-05-07, 01:41 PM
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I would take the crank arms and use my wire brush wheel on the bench grinder and give it a once over !!!!

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Old 03-05-07, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Crank strike? You guys are joking right? The pedal is going to hit WAY before that extra 5mm-15mm or whatever of metal on the crank is going to.
Nope my cranks hit before my pedals provided the bike is upright. Do you need pictures of the scrapes?
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yall are talking about two different things - pedal strike while cornering, and crank striking obstacles. i've scraped up my cranks and i've pedal struck while cornering. they are two different phenomena.
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Originally Posted by dutret
Nope my cranks hit before my pedals provided the bike is upright. Do you need pictures of the scrapes?
queerpunk is right we are talking about different things...I was talking about cornering. Sure if you are going over things like on a SS MTB the cranks will hit...and I can see that in the urban jungle on a fixie too, especially since you can't freewheel.

But still I don't think the 15mm or les we are talking about here is making the difference in those situations...if you are hitting something with the cranks and the bike upright, even with the cranks not drilled the cheap out way, you will hit.
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You can always grind a little off and polish it if it bothers you enough. I doubt anyone would notice, unless you use speedplay X1/X2/X3 pedals or something minimal like that.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
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But still I don't think the 15mm or les we are talking about here is making the difference in those situations...if you are hitting something with the cranks and the bike upright, even with the cranks not drilled the cheap out way, you will hit.

it's only like 5mm I'm pretty sure they are based on the 170mm not the 175s.

It does make a differences because it's the difference between cranks hitting a pedals hitting. My point,which I think you missed, is that if the cranks weren't hitting the pedals would be and having a solid peice of aluminum hit instead is preferable. Iin other words while it annoyed me at first I havce come to like the extra crank length because it protects my pedals.
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Originally Posted by dutret
it's only like 5mm I'm pretty sure they are based on the 170mm not the 175s.

It does make a differences because it's the difference between cranks hitting a pedals hitting. My point,which I think you missed, is that if the cranks weren't hitting the pedals would be and having a solid peice of aluminum hit instead is preferable. Iin other words while it annoyed me at first I havce come to like the extra crank length because it protects my pedals.
Ok...so it is a feature...a pedal protector. Keep that quite or we may wind up paying more for it.
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