Umm, we're talking about fixed hubs here. Of course there are splined ss freehubs, that's not an "idea".

Langdolier: if you have a 135 frame, here's one (sort of). SS threads on the other side.

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I was talking about two things and got confused.

1. a standard freehub body that would fit on the WI splines. Probably not possible due to the size of the splines.
2. Just using the standard shimano hub splines that normal freehubs interface with since these are small enough. Probably not ideal for fg but I bet they would work( I haven;t heard complaints about the fixxer).

Looks really nice, but spacing won't work for most of us and the chainline is wrong. I'm talking about off the rack stuff, not a kludge.

Costs as much as a Phil, jingus cog setup, flanges are kind of narrow.

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Splined and Threaded cogs.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2007...ixed_gear_cogs

weird I wonder why those are there.

Wow. Pretty interesting and pretty ********. I mean, who wants to risk stripping a hub only to be able to use a cog that will also work with a splined eno hub? People don't change cogs around between hubs much. And I'm guessing this will be a fair bit more expensive than a comparable threaded cog as well.

I'm guessing they are some sort of artifact.

I think all these cogs will be threaded. The two photos are clearly from the same photo session with the beads etc. And you can see in the photo that the cogs have the tip of the splines chopped off in a circle, unlike the chainrings. I.e. I think they're threaded, only the pic isn't sharp enough to see.
Have been wrong before, though.

The fun part is that you pay for the threading when you buy one of these things...

Edit: or not. In the linked pic, 3 are threaded, one appers not to be.

Let me see if I can clarify a few issues or questions that have been bantered about. First, will be offering a splined fixed gear hub and the mating fixed gears hopefully this summer. We are still testing the product to make sure that there are no unforeseen problems. The interface between the fixed gear and the hub is tight and we do not expect the have any problems with play based upon our experience with our crank spline/chainring interface.

Some of the comments revolved around the proprietary spline issue. Our spline is not propietary. We made the decision not to mimic Shimano. The splines Shimano utilizes usually are patented and they may or may not license their technology to other manufactures. We simply did not wish to involve ourselves with product that we could or couldn't make predicated upon their designs. We developed our spline and it is open for any other manufacture to use. Boone currently manufactures chainrings that fit our cranks and we have been in discussions with Phil Wood and Paul Components about utilizing a spline fixed hub and cog design.

The question was asked why did we feel it necessary to introduce a splined fixed gear hub. The reason is because there are many problems with threaded cogs stripping hub shells. It is fairly costly to replace the hub and rebuild a wheel when this happens, and we feel we have a solution that will address the problem. The splined interface allows for a tight fit between the hub shell and the cog. The lock ring synches down and holds the cog in place. It is simple and effective. The intent of the design was not for ease of switching out gears, however, the bottom line is, it is much easier and is an added bonus.

1. Will there be a freewheel?
2. Why not bolt on?
3. Why are the cogs pictured threaded on the splines?

We'll have to make a list of the companies that are not on BF now. Not that that's a bad thing, of course.

I'm really curious why it isn't bolt-on (i.e. ISO disc brake pattern). If you're all for a useful product for the customers, why not think before you manufacture it? It's a helluva lot easier to drill a cog, even at home, than to manufacture splined ones. And a certain company called Boone makes some already. And the system is tried and tested, no tool needed for cog changes, I'm guessing the hub would be pretty cheap to make. Basically nick some hub shells from whichever MTB maker and make a 120/42 axle kit for it.

1. Yes, the hub will be a flip/flop hub ie fixed on one side - freewheel on the other
2. We will not offer a bolt on style fixed cog hub since Level is already manufacturing a bolt on style hub and they have patents on the design.
3. Why the internal splines? Well, the photos you are looking at are prototypes. We took several prototype threaded fixed gear cogs we made and machined splines into the cogs for the show. Production pieces will not have the internal threads. It would be nice if it could work with either system, but the minimal thread contact on the splined cog would strip a threaded hub shell.

I'll check back to see if there are any additional questions. I usually do not jump into forum conversations, but it seemed some clarification was necessary with our product. If you would like to contact me directly with any questions, please feel free to do so. My e-mail is lynette@whiteind.com

Thanks
Lynette

No I meant will there be a freewheel made to fit the splines or are they too large? I guess the answer is no. To bad really since that seems like the only reason to choose splines over bolt on(I'm guessing the level patent doesn't cover all bolt on cog systems just theirs but I am not going to research it.)

I, for one, am happy to see this development. Keep up the good work, White Industries.

Level don't own the ISO disc standard, that's for sure - somebody else may own it tho.

They could still patent attaching a toothed cog to a bicycle wheel with multiple bolts. And then hope to cow anyone else who did so into submission. My guess is their patents are related to the specific locking bolt system they use though.

Yeah. Miche hubs develop play as carrier wears out. In the pic it would seem that the carrier plate is machined into hub body. Bad Idea. It seems that White Ind. are developing a approx. $300+ hub that may last six monts.

Since then, I've had to retract that one... this is only roughly similar to the Miche interface, and there's no reason to suppose it won't be bombproof.
It's still silly for a few other reasons.

White Industries doesn't strike me as the sort of company to release a non-durable product design. What I can see from the photos is a pretty logical, durable interface. Look at the total bearing surface of cog vs hub as opposed to the Miche carrier system - The Miche cogs have seven fairly-short "nubs" for engagement, whereas the White Industries has TWELVE, all of which appear to have significantly deeper engagement with the hub. Additionally, the White Ind has a nearly-continuous torque-bearing surface, given the continuous wave pattern of the engagement system, while the Miche has seven big flat spots in between the nubs, meaning that the White Industries design has a lot more surface area over which to distribute the various forces involved in the cog/hub interface.

Didn't you strip your "original" eno hub from normal fixed gear usage?

First generation out on the market combined with user error - I don't blame them.

Edit: I should clarify. I did indeed strip the lockring threads on a first-generation ENO eccentric hub. Part of it was stupidity on my part, part of it was an acknowledged problem with some of the first out on the market - of which mine was one. Yeah, there was a defect in the product, but every good company, no matter how vigilant in their quality control and genius in their product design, will inevitably have a few troubled items go out into the marketplace. Despite my personal issues with one individual hub they made, I thoroughly believe in the quality of design and manufacture of White Industry products.

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Eno Track hub.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20...d_ENO_with_cog
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20...O_with_cog.jpg

I am all over that like a fat kid on cake.

I disassembled my Eno Eccentric a few times, and while the manufacturing is not terrible, it felt cheap and badly done compared to the money I paid for it. That, and the fact that one of the cartridge bearings cracked 3 months into light usage. I am light. I will not say it's a bad hub, just that it's overpriced.

That seems really atypical for a White Industry hub. I've disassembled my ENO hub a few times and everything was done really nicely. A very nice component - maybe you got a slight lemon?

Proprietary cog AND proprietary crankset/chainrings - f*ck yeah! These guys are on a roll, I tellz ya.

And there are enough naive/stupid cyclists who'll flock to them. That makes me a bit sad, but what business is that of mine. Their money.

It definitely could be.

how many of you that are complaining about the miche cog system actually have owned or ride one? I have one and have had no problems at all.