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Weight on Pake Frame?

Old 04-06-07, 10:17 AM
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Weight on Pake Frame?

I'm looking into building up a new fixie and I like the sound of the Pake track frame. Anyone know approximately how much this bike weighs?
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Old 04-06-07, 10:37 AM
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I posted a thread exactly like this awhile ago, search my posts or just use the search function in general. I think a 55cm is like 4.25lb? They're pretty heavy because they're just standard Cro-Mo, nothing special and in my opinion a rip off. Look at KHS / Mercier Kilo TT, unless you otherwise like really heavy frames.
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Originally Posted by andre nickatina
I posted a thread exactly like this awhile ago, search my posts or just use the search function in general. I think a 55cm is like 4.25lb? They're pretty heavy because they're just standard Cro-Mo, nothing special and in my opinion a rip off. Look at KHS / Mercier Kilo TT, unless you otherwise like really heavy frames.
the pake is standard chromo...aka 4130(correct me if i'm wrong here)...meaning the khs/mercier kilo is the same "ripoff" stuff as you mention. reynolds 520 is simply 4130 with a reynolds sticker
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Old 04-06-07, 10:49 AM
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Is it really? I picked up a Mercier Kilo TT and the weight didn't seem to bad at all compared to a Pake, but that was all based on touch and there were other variations in the equipment.

**** it, don't get generic track frames get a Keirin because they have better tubing and real track geometry...
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There is more to tubing than just the alloy used.

I believe the pake is straight-gauged, and the KHSetc. is butted, no?
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Old 04-06-07, 10:54 AM
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^ ^ ^ I had that impression as well.

Yes, straight gauged vs. double vs. triple makes a big difference too, but obviously tubing is going to affect the feeling of the ride.
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Originally Posted by zacked
There is more to tubing than just the alloy used.

I believe the pake is straight-gauged, and the KHSetc. is butted, no?
true. if the pake is not double butted, then it's gonna be heavier. i have no idea about the pake
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Old 04-06-07, 11:10 AM
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http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/framebuilders/pake/

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Wow, that does seem heavy. I used to ride a Bianchi Pista, however, I sold it in order to get a touring bike. Now that I have my touring bike, I want to build up a basic light fixed gear without too many bells and whistles. I am attracted to the lack of decals and bare bones look of the Pake. I didn't want to go the route of a conversion because I don't have a lot of money or time to strip and repaint a frame. Where do you get the mericer's? Any other suggestions?
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Originally Posted by andre nickatina
Merciers can be had on eBay for the 300 dollar special, full bike setup. Just about every component other than the frame is crap, but paying 300 for a new frame is not so bad. You'll want to trash the hubs immediately, as they're prone to stripping.
a friend of mine has messed for upwards of a year, all weather, new york city, on a mercier. he had a ton of miles on it prior. without handbrake. he just got a new rear wheel, and he needs a new BB at this point, but pointing out the fact that the mercier's components are cheap is not the same as they'll fail and suck immediately.

also, i don't think that saying the hubs are prone to stripping is accurate. i think that working them hard with crappy cogs may lead to higher-than-normal stripping. throw a decent cog and lockring on there and they'll be fine.

really, i'm getting more and more convinced that it's crap cogs that strip hubs, not low end hubs. you're just more likely to find - or put - a crap cog on a lower end hub.
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Interesting stuff. Any other frame suggestions?
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A 10 speed conversion off craigslist?

Probably the same weight as a Pake, looser geometry and much less money.
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
a friend of mine has messed for upwards of a year, all weather, new york city, on a mercier. he had a ton of miles on it prior. without handbrake. he just got a new rear wheel, and he needs a new BB at this point, but pointing out the fact that the mercier's components are cheap is not the same as they'll fail and suck immediately.

also, i don't think that saying the hubs are prone to stripping is accurate. i think that working them hard with crappy cogs may lead to higher-than-normal stripping. throw a decent cog and lockring on there and they'll be fine.

really, i'm getting more and more convinced that it's crap cogs that strip hubs, not low end hubs. you're just more likely to find - or put - a crap cog on a lower end hub.
Hmm, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't know whether it's the cog or the hub, but my friend's hub crapped out on him not too long after he got the bike and he had to replace the rear wheel, and his headset is also completely hosed now.
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I ride a Pake. I think it's great. It's heavy but solid as. Takes all the abuse I dish out.

My other bikes are a 1x1 and a borrowed xtracycle. So, no, I'm not a weight weenie.

If you want something light look elsewhere. If you want something spartan and solid, here you are.
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so what the diff in weight of a soma rush vs a pake?
 
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