High school students capture assault on video
05-09-07, 08:23 AM
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To give a slightly different perspective, I've generally just had oblivious drivers and never had it pass far beyond "you ****ing idiot/no YOU ****ing idiot" cock-swinging. I've never had a driver explicitely threaten me or "get out of the car" ... but I did have one guy tap my wheel as I was track standing (he wanted me to just pull the bike off the road so he could get around and make a right at a red - I didn't budge and he went honk-crazy). I myself have slapped a few cars that didn't realize others share the road with them and the most violent thing that's ever happened to me in the city is breaking my hand punching a truck that almost crushed me (he didn't see me at all).
So ya, they're idiots in Toronto but I haven't had any try too hard to kick my ass yet. Watch out for the left hook when someone hails a cab though - that one's epidemic downtown.
So ya, they're idiots in Toronto but I haven't had any try too hard to kick my ass yet. Watch out for the left hook when someone hails a cab though - that one's epidemic downtown.
05-09-07, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by shapelike
To give a slightly different perspective, I've generally just had oblivious drivers and never had it pass far beyond "you ****ing idiot/no YOU ****ing idiot" cock-swinging. I've never had a driver explicitely threaten me or "get out of the car" ... but I did have one guy tap my wheel as I was track standing (he wanted me to just pull the bike off the road so he could get around and make a right at a red - I didn't budge and he went honk-crazy). I myself have slapped a few cars that didn't realize others share the road with them and the most violent thing that's ever happened to me in the city is breaking my hand punching a truck that almost crushed me (he didn't see me at all).
So ya, they're idiots in Toronto but I haven't had any try too hard to kick my ass yet. Watch out for the left hook when someone hails a cab though - that one's epidemic downtown.
So ya, they're idiots in Toronto but I haven't had any try too hard to kick my ass yet. Watch out for the left hook when someone hails a cab though - that one's epidemic downtown.
Those are the exact kind of actions that get me in trouble. I was assaulted because I slapped a guy's hood. and I have received death threats from flipping the bird. I guess I'm just unlucky.
05-09-07, 08:32 AM
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Ya, there's got to be something going on there. Without examining it too hard, maybe I only pull that **** when I've got a clear exit in front of me and the car can't keep up after I retaliate. Or maybe I just stfu when it's a minor/typical thing and only lash out when they REALLY **** up. I'm pretty good at the "mom shame" look so maybe that keeps people quiet too.
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what a dick
they oughta take away that guy's motorist license and make him ride a bike for a year
they oughta take away that guy's motorist license and make him ride a bike for a year
05-09-07, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Shiznaz
Originally Posted by shapelike
To give a slightly different perspective, I've generally just had oblivious drivers and never had it pass far beyond "you ****ing idiot/no YOU ****ing idiot" cock-swinging. I've never had a driver explicitely threaten me or "get out of the car" ... but I did have one guy tap my wheel as I was track standing (he wanted me to just pull the bike off the road so he could get around and make a right at a red - I didn't budge and he went honk-crazy). I myself have slapped a few cars that didn't realize others share the road with them and the most violent thing that's ever happened to me in the city is breaking my hand punching a truck that almost crushed me (he didn't see me at all).
So ya, they're idiots in Toronto but I haven't had any try too hard to kick my ass yet. Watch out for the left hook when someone hails a cab though - that one's epidemic downtown.
So ya, they're idiots in Toronto but I haven't had any try too hard to kick my ass yet. Watch out for the left hook when someone hails a cab though - that one's epidemic downtown.
So are wife-abusing husbands, by the way: as soon as a bigger police officer or social worker come over to them, their rage suddenly deflates and they're the nicest people in the world.
Cowards are the same, anywhere you go.
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05-09-07, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
It's realy simple (sadly): sharpelike is probably a bigger guy than you are. Drivers who attack cyclists are mostly cowards, that have their rage well in check if the cyclist looks like he could actually cause some damage.
So are wife-abusing husbands, by the way: as soon as a bigger police officer or social worker come over to them, their rage suddenly deflates and they're the nicest people in the world.
Cowards are the same, anywhere you go.
So are wife-abusing husbands, by the way: as soon as a bigger police officer or social worker come over to them, their rage suddenly deflates and they're the nicest people in the world.
Cowards are the same, anywhere you go.
PS. SHAPElike, mother****ers! You know, shaped like a shape ... or something.
05-09-07, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by progre-ss
From watching the video, it looked like the rider was picking up the bike in order to threaten to or actually throw it at the car's hood or windshield but was attacked by the driver prior to doing so.
Thats not what it looked like to me at all---to me it looked like he was picking it up to prevent the motorist from kicking it
05-09-07, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ch0mb0
what a dick
they oughta take away that guy's motorist license and make him ride a bike for a year
they oughta take away that guy's motorist license and make him ride a bike for a year
bikes aren't punishment...u-lock anyone?
05-09-07, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by shapelike
Well, I'm 5'10" and Shiznaz is like 6'14" ... we're both scrawny white boys (sorry, it's true) but maybe he started shaving. I admitedly look like **** these days.
Originally Posted by shapelike
PS. SHAPElike, mother****ers! You know, shaped like a shape ... or something.
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Originally Posted by cosmo starr
bikes aren't punishment...u-lock anyone?
ah, but having to fight to stay alive amidst a sea of ass hole motorists just might be
05-09-07, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by progre-ss
From watching the video, it looked like the rider was picking up the bike in order to threaten to or actually throw it at the car's hood or windshield but was attacked by the driver prior to doing so.
05-09-07, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
The cyclist picked up the bike after the driver kicked his wheel, which seems a threatening and provocative action - in such circumstances, the cyclist was not given a large number of options. I am not saying he couldn't have just walked away, but having had your rear wheel kicked so hard it flips away, wouldn't you react in some way?
Besides, it doesn't seem it would have made any difference; the car driver was coming, and nothing was going to stop him - and the bicycle's wheel was the first one in his path, then came the cyclist.
Besides, it doesn't seem it would have made any difference; the car driver was coming, and nothing was going to stop him - and the bicycle's wheel was the first one in his path, then came the cyclist.
05-09-07, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by operator
Are you people blind? He picked it up after the driver kicked the bike - he didn't want it damaged.
End of the day, normal society doesn't go around punching each other. Or at least shouldn't. To me that is the point and where the debate should end. The car driver was at fault. Assault is assault. Unless you're in Texas, which I will be, a person's body is more valued than a car or a bike.
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Originally Posted by cosmo starr
bikes aren't punishment...u-lock anyone?
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
Umm.. there goes my theory, then. But did you really mean 6'14" ? That's... wrong.
OK, I edited my post and corrected it. Sorry!
OK, I edited my post and corrected it. Sorry!
05-09-07, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by operator
Are you people blind? He picked it up after the driver kicked the bike - he didn't want it damaged.
05-09-07, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lyeinyoureye
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Originally Posted by progre-ss
I wasn't putting the blame on the cyclist. It looked to me like he was protecting himself and was using the bike to try and do so. After watching it again, I take back my comment about him trying to throw the bike.
05-09-07, 01:23 PM
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**** ulocks. slingshots for ranged attacks. hell yeah
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Yeah, you too can feel like a "Real Man"(tm) by threatening to beat me up or murder me. Boss pisses you off? Take it off out on me! Someone picked on you? Take it out on someone who you assume will be an easy victim (I won't be). The majority of people are absolutely pathetic. I may have to actually hurt one of them one day.
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THE PLOT THICKENS:
source: https://www.citynews.ca/news/news_10838.aspx
Cop Charged In Bike Assault Road Rage Incident That Was Caught On Tape
Wednesday May 9, 2007
It was a crime caught on tape by some unsuspecting students taking video for a class project - a driver getting out of his car to allegedly assault a cyclist who prevented him from turning at a yellow light. The kids caught the entire thing as it unfolded at Queen and Bay on Tuesday afternoon and turned their evidence over to police. They've now made an arrest and the suspect is almost as surprising as the footage itself - he's a cop.
Constable Darius Tierman, a 21-year-veteran of the Toronto Force, has been on leave since October 2004. He turned himself in to 52 Division on Wednesday morning and made a brief court appearance at Old City Hall later in the afternoon.
Police accounts of the incident match what the kids' cameras captured. (You can see it In The Raw here). A driver is seen getting out of his car when the cyclist didn't go through the intersection at the amber signal, and then begins loudly swearing at the rider and honking his horn. As the students watched in stunned shock, he got out of the car, grabbed the bike and cold cocked the owner from behind. He then got back into the car and drove away, but not before everyone watching got his license number.
The cyclist lost a tooth in the incident, but otherwise wasn't seriously hurt.
It's not clear why Tierman has been on leave for almost three years, but the allegations he's facing are serious. He's been charged with assault causing bodily harm.
Wednesday May 9, 2007
It was a crime caught on tape by some unsuspecting students taking video for a class project - a driver getting out of his car to allegedly assault a cyclist who prevented him from turning at a yellow light. The kids caught the entire thing as it unfolded at Queen and Bay on Tuesday afternoon and turned their evidence over to police. They've now made an arrest and the suspect is almost as surprising as the footage itself - he's a cop.
Constable Darius Tierman, a 21-year-veteran of the Toronto Force, has been on leave since October 2004. He turned himself in to 52 Division on Wednesday morning and made a brief court appearance at Old City Hall later in the afternoon.
Police accounts of the incident match what the kids' cameras captured. (You can see it In The Raw here). A driver is seen getting out of his car when the cyclist didn't go through the intersection at the amber signal, and then begins loudly swearing at the rider and honking his horn. As the students watched in stunned shock, he got out of the car, grabbed the bike and cold cocked the owner from behind. He then got back into the car and drove away, but not before everyone watching got his license number.
The cyclist lost a tooth in the incident, but otherwise wasn't seriously hurt.
It's not clear why Tierman has been on leave for almost three years, but the allegations he's facing are serious. He's been charged with assault causing bodily harm.
05-09-07, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by citynews.ca
The cyclist lost a tooth in the incident, but otherwise wasn't seriously hurt.
Edit: I meant 6-8 WEEKS not months!!!!
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