veganshainBFC

im looking into getting a milwaukee cream city track frame.. and i was wondering if anyone has anything good or bad to say about them, i couldnt find a thread that really talked about them??

i have heard good things from a few friends, but thats all.

lumenredundas

i have seen and ridden it and its pretty nice. i wouldnt use it to race or anything, but for around town that would be pretty sweet. the brazed on logos is a pretty sweet touch as well.

Blue Jays

BUMP. I'm interested in Milwaukee track frames as well from anyone with relevent experience with 'em.

griffin_

do they not make the orange thing anymore?

potus

I'd skip that option if possible. looks cool but may cause a stress riser down the road.

moki

man, I'd risk it. Those are sweet.

anyone know if they're actually built by Waterford, or just designed there? I suspect they're not actually built by Waterford simply because they don't specify that it is. You'd think that Ben's would want to shout it from a mountaintop is that were the case.

Holla13J

I'm sure if you emailed them they would tell you, they are all really nice guys and are very helpful.

And yes the frames are sweet.

pixel

they're pretty classy lookin', although the price seems a bit high unless I'm missing something

reason?

veganshainBFC

well its in the same price range as bob jackson vigorelli, and bare knuckle frames.

pixel

Bareknuckle is what, something like $580 I think and the Cream City frameset starts at $725. To me thats a decent difference. Although I'm not ashamed to admit I stare longingly at the Cream City from time to time...

sleepykid1

that frame is pure sex...i wish it was just a lil cheaper..

willypilgrim

Sick but spendy.

ryanday

It's worth the cash if it really is made by Waterford. And Waterford is just a quick jaunt down the interstate from Ben's...

andre nickatina

looks nice, but for that price i'd go for an undented keirin frame any day of the week.

openside-7

I was thinking about one of these frames as well - they look great. I got in touch with Bens and they confirmed that the frames are made by Waterford.

Can anyone say why you wouldn't want to use this frame for racing as said by lumenredundas??

jhnmrk

probably not...anymore than someone could say that you wouldn't want to play basketball without wearing air jordans. i ride one of the orange milwaukees and while it doesn't have steep "track" geometry, it would be perfectly at home on the track or the street. those new milwaukees with the raised stainless logos remind me of vanillas. so if you think of it as a bargain vanilla, you're getting yourself a deal (even if you're still NOT getting a vanilla).

lumenredundas

i only say not race worthy becasue its super heavy and not very stiff. the geometry is also a little to relaxed for my taste on the track. thats not to say you couldnt race with that bike, i just wouldnt.

XVX

openside-7

Thanks for the reply...in that case, can you recommend a good all round frame for road training and perhaps a spot of noob track try-out? I was thinking of the Bob Jackson Vigorelli Track as a possible alternative:

https://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/pr...roducts_id=307

roadfix

Vireo (forum member) rides a Milwaukee and I believe he's doing the Furnace Creek 508 on that bike this year.

jhnmrk

probably not what you want to hear, but a pista or iro would fill both of those slots just fine. but if you want a bike that looks totally hot, then that's up to what you think looks hot...

mcatano

75.5 degree ST and 74.5 degree HT is *relaxed* geometry?

lumenredundas

it has to do with the longer top tube and how i have a short torso. it felt like i was laid out on a tri bike. i know what the measurments are and having ridden the bike and comparing it to my bikes it felt relaxed to me.

i cant really speak on a bike that could be a two timer for commuting and for the track. that all depends on personal prefrence and how you ride for both situations.

XVX

mattface 

When are you going to figure it out? People are just going to say that about any frame that isn't specifically meant for track racing wether it's true or not. They don't let facts get in the way of parroting the most oft used excuse for not liking the handling of a particular frame. "Whoa man that geometry is WAY slack!" like you can tell the difference between 74.5º and 75.0º from a 600x300 pixel picture on the screen... let alone by the seat of your pants. I can see it now: "I rode it and I could feel that half degree of slackness in the seat tube. it felt like mush when I ran over that pea under those mattresses."

jhnmrk

i think what this thread comes down to is that if you want a pretty frame, get a pretty frame, other than that, this thread is pretty slack. it's too relaxed for my taste.

mcatano

I would think that a relatively longer top tube + steep angles would result in a more forward or - dare I say it? - 'aggressive' position. That said, I don't really think of tri bikes as being particularly relaxed either. Different strokes, I 'spose.