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Aheadset versus regular Headsets?

Old 05-30-07, 12:49 AM
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Aheadset versus regular Headsets?

Im a first time fix-gear builder, so pardon my noobiness.

At my LBS I was picking up some random parts (pedals, stem, etc) when I decided to pick up a headset too. The guy sold me a Cane Creek STS (threadless 1-1/8") Aheadset. Is this different than a regular headset? Do I need a special stem or bolt to use an aheadset versus a regular headset?

Is there even any difference? I was going to get a Cane Creek S-6 for 29$ as opposed to the 26$ i paid for this one. Should i return it and go for the s-6? would the s-6 be a noticable difference?

Your help is appreciated!
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it is different form a "normal" or quil type stem. the main difference is that on a threadless headset the stem is held down on top of the bearings and this holds the whole show together. while on a traditional headset, it holds just the fork and the stem then gets wedged (qith the quill) into the fork's steerer tube.

in the 2 systems the fork/stem/headset all have to work together. most older bikes will have 1" steeres and use a "regular" headset. newer bikes tend to have 1+1/8 tubes and use thread less headsets. there are regular headsets in 1+1/8 and vise versa for the threadless, but its just the convetion that most end up that way.

go with which ever will fit your bike (by fit i mean the cups will press into the frame). either design works fine.
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You can actually convert a threaded fork into a threadless fork if you really needed to. My friend did this for some reason. Doesn't really work the other way around (safely, that is). You're best off getting the right headset for your fork/stem setup though.
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im not talking about threadless versus threaded, im talking about threadless Aheadset versus threadless headset
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threadless Aheadset=threadless headset. No difference. Branding.
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Originally Posted by Charlesbian
im not talking about threadless versus threaded, im talking about threadless Aheadset versus threadless headset
Sometimes they say "aheadset" when they mean threadless headset. So basically, "aheadset" has become a synonimous of threadless headset.
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Originally Posted by blickblocks
You can actually convert a threaded fork into a threadless fork if you really needed to. My friend did this for some reason. Doesn't really work the other way around (safely, that is). You're best off getting the right headset for your fork/stem setup though.
What is there to do to convert a threaded to a threadless fork? I would think, nothing, just mentally ignore the threads, that's it. A threaded fork will work just fine, except there will be some dirt in the threads but that won't cause any problems.
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Originally Posted by DannyRocks
threadless Aheadset=threadless headset. No difference. Branding.
Actually, there is a slight technical difference in the way the bearings interact and such... but for all intensive purposes, they use the same stems, the same type of steerers on the fork, and they do the same thing pretty much equally well.
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Old 05-30-07, 06:29 AM
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S6

Originally Posted by Charlesbian
Is there even any difference?
S6 is higher quality aluminum cups and Stainless steel bearings vs. steel cups and regular steel bearings.

Get the S6!


http://www.canecreek.com/sts.html
http://www.canecreek.com/s-6.html
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
What is there to do to convert a threaded to a threadless fork? I would think, nothing, just mentally ignore the threads, that's it. A threaded fork will work just fine, except there will be some dirt in the threads but that won't cause any problems.
it is generally regarded as being unsafe to clamp a stem onto he threaded portion of the steerer
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Originally Posted by Aeroplane
Actually, there is a slight technical difference in the way the bearings interact and such... but for all intensive purposes, they use the same stems, the same type of steerers on the fork, and they do the same thing pretty much equally well.
intents and purposes! arrrgh!
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Originally Posted by Aeroplane
[...] but for all intensive purposes [...]
...
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Originally Posted by baxtefer
Originally Posted by Aeroplane
Actually, there is a slight technical difference in the way the bearings interact and such... but for all intensive purposes, they use the same stems, the same type of steerers on the fork, and they do the same thing pretty much equally well.
intents and purposes! arrrgh!

Umm.... *whoooosssshh*
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
What is there to do to convert a threaded to a threadless fork? I would think, nothing, just mentally ignore the threads, that's it. A threaded fork will work just fine, except there will be some dirt in the threads but that won't cause any problems.
Bad idea...my friend removed the threads with I guess a lathe. I'm not really sure. But I'm certain he did remove them somehow before using the threadless headset and stem.
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Originally Posted by baxtefer
intents and purposes! arrrgh!
Ha ha ha, sorry dude, my secretary (who types these posts from my dictation) can make mistakes from time to time END POST
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Originally Posted by blickblocks
Bad idea...my friend removed the threads with I guess a lathe. I'm not really sure. But I'm certain he did remove them somehow before using the threadless headset and stem.
that sounds like an even worse idea then clamping over the threads as you are reducing the size of the tube even more.
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Thanks for the advice guys!
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its no big deal to clamp over the threads.
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Originally Posted by cabbagerwsb
its no big deal to clamp over the threads.
WTF? Actually, yeah, it is a big deal. That is stupid and unsafe advice to give. Threaded headsets and stems aren't that expensive or hard to find that half-assing a threadless setup makes sense on any level.
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a few different approaches by Cane Creek, Shimano, Chris King and others to the threadless headset (each have a patent on their approach), but the stem doesn't care, it's all the same. However, if you are building your bike from the bottom up and have a choice, Chris King is the "standard" in terms of performance, durability, and cost.
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Originally Posted by Adagio Corse
Chris King is the "standard" in terms of performance, durability, and cost.
I'd say Cane Creek is the "standard". They perform well, are plenty durable, and relatively cheap. They are also ubiquitous; any given bike you look at is more likely than not to have one.
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Originally Posted by DannyRocks
threadless Aheadset=threadless headset. No difference. Branding.
+1...at least in my experience, aheadset is a-okay.
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Second vote for the S6 over the STS: 'Aheadset' is a lower-budget line of headsets made by Cane Creek. The S6 is a higher quality part.

Make sure you get at least a couple thin spacers, if your headset package didn't include them. It helps to put in a couple thin ones between the top bearing cap and the stem to fine-tune the gap where the top cap sits.
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Originally Posted by Aeroplane
WTF? Actually, yeah, it is a big deal. That is stupid and unsafe advice to give. Threaded headsets and stems aren't that expensive or hard to find that half-assing a threadless setup makes sense on any level.
it's really not a big deal. it's been done many times on bikes ridden many miles.
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Originally Posted by cabbagerwsb
it's really not a big deal. it's been done many times on bikes ridden many miles.
Personally, I like a stem to stay in place. If you clamp to a threaded surface, you are losing about 2/3 of the clamping area, and completely ****ing up the fork.

You can probably trade your threadless headset and stem for a threaded headset and quill stem. Hell, you can probably make money on the deal. Why not do it right? It seriously boggles my mind.
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