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Old 06-07-09, 04:35 PM
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Is bikeIsland supposed to have the kilo frameset on the tenth still?
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Old 06-07-09, 04:37 PM
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since they are the same bike in essence
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Old 06-07-09, 05:09 PM
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[QUOTE=toosense;9058483]since they are the same bike in essence

Looks great... 60cm? What bars?
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Originally Posted by jakerock

Looks great... 60cm? What bars?
thanks man, its actually a 57, the fisheye makes it look awkwardly tall. as for the bars, they are origin 8 bars that were relatively cheap at my LBS, nice rise though.
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me gusta la flite100.
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Originally Posted by justinboyle
Is bikeIsland supposed to have the kilo frameset on the tenth still?
Yes
unless there is a last minute customs hold

Should unload June 8th or 9th
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^^Awesome, Do you happen to know what color frames they will be stocking?
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Originally Posted by wr1020
Whats up guys, i wanted to get some bullhorns for my Kilo and while doing that i wanted to swap out the stem for a black one, i don't like all the chrome on this bike. Clamp size for the handlebars on BK says its a 25.4, will a 26 work, will this even matter if i get a new stem. As you can tell i'm not too knowledgeable with technical detail when it comes to parts but i'm slowly learning. If anyone can even make a recommendation as to what bullhorn and stem combo go well with the Kilo that'll help also. Thanks a lot.
just pay attention to the clamp size on the new stem and bars. make sure theyre the same. as far as a stem goes, you can definitely get a 1 1/8" (more common) and throw a shim on it to make it fit the 1" steer tube.
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If the Purple frames are coming in, I am super jazzed. I have had the gear to build it up since I first laid eyes on the Grape Soda Kilo. Plus I need to install more headsets to make the headset press and race installer (local ebay) purchase worthwhile.
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looking around at frame geometry and trail, it seems that the kilo is really slow steering! in fact, its a lot slower steering than many road bikes. also, maybe im mistaken, but i recall people try to switch out to lower offset forks to speed steering up. that serves only to slow steering down even more, and bmx and mountain forks for those silly tricksters make handling trucklike. excuse me if this was common knowledge.
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the kilo is extremely variable in geo and to my knowledge, uses the same fork rake/trails for all frames.

so it really depends.

i wouldn't say it's slow steering...
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Originally Posted by cc700
the kilo is extremely variable in geo and to my knowledge, uses the same fork rake/trails for all frames.

so it really depends.

i wouldn't say it's slow steering...
the 47cm kilo tt has 59.4mm trail.
the 60cm kilo tt has 58.4mm trail.

the 62cm trek madone has 55.9mm trail.
the 61cm specialized tarmac has 52.2mm trail.

the 61cm windsor hour has 49.2mm trail.
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the madone and tarmac are RACING bikes. they're not just any road bike.

the allez 56 has 59mm trail.
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Originally Posted by cc700
the madone and tarmac are RACING bikes. they're not just any road bike.

the allez 56 has 59mm trail.
the 61cm allez has 53mm trail.
the 61cm langster has 50mm trail.
the 52cm bianchi san jose has 54.1mm trail.
the 61cm bianchi san jose has 54.1mm trail.
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the trek t1 has a 60mm trail for all sizes up to 56.

i think you're being silly listing the larger bike sizes. the larger bikes have less trail because the leaning action doesn't have to be as severe to steer the bike when the bike is taller.
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Originally Posted by adriano
looking around at frame geometry and trail, it seems that the kilo is really slow steering!
Funny you should mention. I ride a 57cm and find the handling to be very neutral. I was expecting something a lot "twitchier" (not that I'm complaining). Maybe it's the wheelbase (99cm on mine).
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I think you're both being silly arguing over a bike we're not discussing in this thread at all!
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Originally Posted by Thetank
I think you're both being silly arguing over a bike we're not discussing in this thread at all!
But they're using other bikes as an example in a reference to the kilo... in the kilo thread...
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Originally Posted by cc700
i think you're being silly listing the larger bike sizes. the larger bikes have less trail because the leaning action doesn't have to be as severe to steer the bike when the bike is taller.
im comparing to the like sized kilo with 58.4mm trail. all size kilos have tightly grouped trail around 59mm. there are medium sized road frames with less trail.

the medium madone has 56mm trail.
the 56cm tarmac has 56mm trail.
the 56cm allez has 56mm trail.
the 52cm through 61cm bianchi san joses have 54.1mm trail.

these are differences that could easily be felt.

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the allez 56 has 59mm trail.
the 56cm allez has 56mm trail.

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Funny you should mention. I ride a 57cm and find the handling to be very neutral. I was expecting something a lot "twitchier" (not that I'm complaining). Maybe it's the wheelbase (99cm on mine).
the kilo is by no means incapable, but its a much more tame ride than many purport. i think its a fine handling machine, and a better ride for my usage than if it was much more responsive.

i know trail isnt everything, but its a much more major something than most consider it to be. its just interesting to step back and look at the data.

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I think you're both being silly arguing over a bike we're not discussing in this thread at all!
keep up!
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fine then, it's race geo.

compare it to other types of bikes... across the specialized range of offerings:

triathalon/time trial
specialized transition Large:58cm: 65mm

commute:
sirrus pro 52cm : 68mm
globe sf all sizes: 64mm

cx:
tricross 52cm: 68mm
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Originally Posted by cc700
compare it to other types of bikes... across the specialized range of offerings:

triathalon/time trial
specialized transition Large:58cm: 65mm

commute:
sirrus pro 52cm : 68mm
globe sf all sizes: 64mm

cx:
tricross 52cm: 68mm
triathalon, commuter, and cross geometry are stable over agile by design. small frame geometry is slackened nearly universally.

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yes, and stable is 65 or more... 60-55 is agile. i don't think anyone would have been suprised to hear that the kilo isn't the most aggressive trail, but you were talking about it like it was slack for a distance track / kilo time trial bike. it's not. it's pretty much perfect for that.
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Originally Posted by cc700
yes, and stable is 65 or more... 60-55 is agile. i don't think anyone would have been suprised to hear that the kilo isn't the most aggressive trail, but you were talking about it like it was slack for a distance track / kilo time trial bike. it's not. it's pretty much perfect for that.
there are a number of frames in the high forties. mid fifties and below is quick. high fifties to low sixties is the middle of the road and the best overall for most usage. most believe that the kilo has exceptional agility. im saying the kilo is hyped up.
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i don't ever recall anyone saying it was exceptionally agile.

it's agile. that's been said, and i think the trail is in line with that.

trail isn't the only measure of agility, either.
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