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mattface 07-01-07 09:27 AM

Recommend a better 1/8" chain
 
Yesterday 20 miles into a 30 mile ride on the downside of my biggest hill, my chain broke while I was spinning somewhere in the vicinity of 30mph. This was followed immediately by a 60 foot skid which would have been a lot longer without judicious use of the front brake. It was a SRAM PC-1, and it was in good condition, I just lubed and adjusted it a few days ago, and I didn't notice any tight spots. I never broke the chain, it was attached with an SRAM masterlink which is still intact. when I gathered up the pieces, there was not enough left to put it back on it was about 3" too short. Back towards the beginning of the skidmark I found a few random side plates.

Needless to say, my confidence in that chain is gone, and I'm thinking I want something better to replace it. Does anyone have a recommendation of a good durable 1/8" chain.

mander 07-01-07 10:45 AM

Shiiiiiiiiitttttttyyyyyyy. Good on you for riding that one out.

I have been having good results with KMC 510H chains. That H stands for Heavy. Their side plates are a lot thicker than regular 1/8" chains, so much so that I had to dremel 1.5 mm out of my chainbreaker to make it fit.

http://www.9star.com/browse/style/67...=1&show=images

mattface 07-01-07 01:16 PM

Yes I was very happy about not eating pavement.

That 510h is certainly inexpensive. Anyone got any other recommenations? Wipperman? Izumi? I want the Super Toughness just for the name alone, but the price seems just a tad overkill.

deathhare 07-01-07 01:21 PM

Ive had the supa toughness for a few months. I ride brakeless and it hasnt broken yet.

operator 07-01-07 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by mattface
Yes I was very happy about not eating pavement.

That 510h is certainly inexpensive. Anyone got any other recommenations? Wipperman? Izumi? I want the Super Toughness just for the name alone, but the price seems just a tad overkill.

Wipperman if you want your bike to sound like a 747 at v1.

vobopl 07-01-07 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by mattface
Yesterday 20 miles into a 30 mile ride on the downside of my biggest hill, my chain broke while I was spinning somewhere in the vicinity of 30mph. This was followed immediately by a 60 foot skid which would have been a lot longer without judicious use of the front brake. It was a SRAM PC-1, and it was in good condition, I just lubed and adjusted it a few days ago, and I didn't notice any tight spots. I never broke the chain, it was attached with an SRAM masterlink which is still intact. when I gathered up the pieces, there was not enough left to put it back on it was about 3" too short. Back towards the beginning of the skidmark I found a few random side plates.

Needless to say, my confidence in that chain is gone, and I'm thinking I want something better to replace it. Does anyone have a recommendation of a good durable 1/8" chain.

Glad you made it intact.
My KMC? Z (for chrome) chain survived bad throw which bent Dura Ace crank and chainring and cut 1/3 deep through my track end.

Fugazi Dave 07-01-07 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by vobopl
Glad you made it intact.
My KMC? Z (for chrome) chain survived bad throw which bent Dura Ace crank and chainring and cut 1/3 deep through my track end.

Holy crap. Not to derail the thread or anything, but pics please?

ultraman6970 07-01-07 01:43 PM

KMC or D.I.D (if you are able to find one)

thanks...

na975 07-01-07 02:29 PM

izumi V..

DannyRocks 07-01-07 02:45 PM

broke one KMC 410, rode for months on a KMC 510 with no problems, back on a 410 with still-no-complaints.

mattface 07-01-07 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by operator
Wipperman if you want your bike to sound like a 747 at v1.

Wipperman are noisy huh? all models or one in particular?

dookie 07-01-07 03:09 PM

i have ~500 miles of XC SS on a PC-1 and it's broken twice, both on uphill grinds. forensics seems to indicate a combination of short pins and pin hole deformation in the sideplate were to blame. i suppose i should replace it, eh?

for what it's worth, a couple hundred miles on an izumi eco and it's nice enough i guess. a bit noisy at first, but quieted quickly. silver or gold no more expensive than black. pins are much longer...seems quite solid. that said, i'm a novice fixed rider who mostly cruises country roads, not urban/skid/skip.

mattface 07-01-07 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by dookie
i have ~500 miles of XC SS on a PC-1 and it's broken twice, both on uphill grinds. forensics seems to indicate a combination of short pins and pin hole deformation in the sideplate were to blame. i suppose i should replace it, eh?

for what it's worth, a couple hundred miles on an izumi eco and it's nice enough i guess. a bit noisy at first, but quieted quickly. silver or gold no more expensive than black. pins are much longer...seems quite solid. that said, i'm a novice fixed rider who mostly cruises country roads, not urban/skid/skip.

I don't skip or skid either, but deformed sideplates were what I noticed examining the broken chain. So my experience is consistent with yours.

chase. 07-01-07 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by operator
Wipperman if you want your bike to sound like a 747 at v1.

with which engines? they got a lot quieter with the high-bypass units :)

I had a PC1 and didn't feel confident in it for brakeless use. got an izumi and it feels much better, and is far more substantial, but i had actually thought about a wippermann. i got mine from ben's along with an order i was making, but aebike has a fair number of chains to choose from in 1/8" width.

operator 07-01-07 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by chase.
with which engines? they got a lot quieter with the high-bypass units :)

Why you... :)

mihlbach 07-01-07 03:57 PM

**** happens. I've had good luck with PC1s on my SS MTB. KMC 510HX is a little beefier and lasts a long time.

mattface 07-01-07 06:08 PM

I know **** happens, but I'd like to minimize the risk of having it happen in my pants. I don't know PC-1s are junk I actually thought they were pretty good. I know any part can fail, but since I'm replacing a broken one I'd like to get some feedback about which ones tend to be more durable.

I don't mind spending more within reason for a chain that is less likely to come flying off at the least opportune moment. So if the KMC 510 is good is the 710 better? I don't care about a few grams either way, I just want it strong.

sven_svensenson 07-01-07 06:44 PM

PC1's are total junk. i stopped using them after i realized they would completely stretch in under 5 rides on my SS MTBs.

now i run kmc X9SL on my SS mtb. thats right, i use a 9spd chain, gawdammit. its light, durable, and light. hollow pins, and cutout inner and outer plates. badass. oh ya, it also comes in a gold finish.

travsi 07-01-07 06:50 PM

i have an izumi v on my giro for the past year, granded i don't
ride it everyday, but there's been no wear yet (and i ride brakeless).
on my soma, which i ride quite alot in all weather conditions (also
brakeless), i've been ridding a wipperman ig8 (super heavy).
only recently is it starting to show signs of needing to be replaced.

personally i think the izumi v is worth the money (ok, so i got it from
japan...) but still ...a great chain.

travsi 07-01-07 06:53 PM

oh, also friends of mine have had good experience
with the wipperman white star

…at $18 its a really good deal.

illogique 07-01-07 07:13 PM

i have a kmc 710 on my fixed and 810 on my ss
and very happy with them.

bonechilling 07-01-07 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by travsi
oh, also friends of mine have had good experience
with the wipperman white star

…at $18 its a really good deal.

$11 is a better deal!

http://stores.ebikestop.com/Items/00...5?sck=31998404

666pack 07-01-07 07:26 PM

my kmc z chain survived a throw which rotafixed my cog off, bent my axle forward and crushed my chainring.

kmc is seriously the way to go.

mikerapp 07-01-07 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by dookie
a couple hundred miles on an izumi eco and it's nice enough i guess. a bit noisy at first, but quieted quickly. silver or gold no more expensive than black. pins are much longer

+1


I like Izumi eco chains. I threw it the first day of riding, forgot to adjust tension after riding all day(not smart). Happened in front of a crowded bar. Rode it out, didn't die, and the chain was completely fine.

nateintokyo 07-01-07 07:59 PM

glad to find this thread. my new chain is a hollow pin KMC 701SL ("super light") and I will be keeping tabs on it ....


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