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I would like to formally congratulate the entire internet for unexpectedly taking itself much to seriously.
...again I hope both Ken Cox and NYCBikeSnob will be able to make it to the award ceremony |
Originally Posted by Pfutz
unexpectedly
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Originally Posted by thebristolkid
I continue to come here for pictures of cats with funny captions.
Observe: http://kscakes.com.nyud.net:8080/Lol...ike-riding.jpg |
Originally Posted by crust & crumb
Improper use of the adjective "concerted", or so it seems.
I'd say that BSNYC's writing is some of the best on the Intertubes; few people are so consistently acerbic, witty and observant. Of course, he's only been around for a couple of months; I'm curious to see how long he can maintain the quality. I'd say that one of his greatest virtues is that he isn't malicious or mean, and often mocks his own riding abilities (he's made several comments concerning his lack of aptitude in races). I think that most of the rancor he's earned is due to many of his shots landing rather close to their marks. Reading his site is a refreshing antidote to all the d***-waving that goes on in the forums, and I think that people who believe he's 'serious' aren't getting the message...they should try crushing some tinfoil on their antennas, maybe they'll get a clearer signal. |
Originally Posted by thebristolkid
I continue to come here for pictures of cats with funny captions.
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If the OED thinks that it's possible for one person to make a concerted effort on his own, the OED has veered waaaaaay too far toward "descriptive" dictionarifying (that's a real word, because I just typed it on the Internet).
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I've noticed that the Bike Snob gets a lot of things wrong. Factually wrong, I mean. What separates him from the Dutrets of the world is that when his errors are pointed out to him, he usually admits to them.
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I'd like to thank Mr. Cox of implying that I wrote the beloved BikeSnobNYC blog. I'd love to sit down with you over a nice lunch, but after much thought, I think you may get upset (think Hulk) and rip out my throat or something. I am scared. Its much safer on the internets, please pass the salt, just a grain will do.
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Originally Posted by Placid Casual
(Post 4873587)
If the OED thinks that it's possible for one person to make a concerted effort on his own, the OED has veered waaaaaay too far toward "descriptive" dictionarifying (that's a real word, because I just typed it on the Internet).
Who knows-- if NPR and the NYT keep running articles on 'fixed-gear culture,' the phrases 'fixie' and 'track stand' might even make it in. |
Excellent topic!
I've noticed something interesting. The New Yorker has replaced "ensure" with "insure" implying the exact same meaning. For example: I paid the cabbie twice the usual fare to insure I'd get to Hoboken on time. I never thought I'd see the day... very cheeky. |
i can tell you where the worst place on the internet is
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The New Yorker site?
Yeah, it seems like a grammatical concession to to me, too. |
Originally Posted by the pope
(Post 4874362)
The New Yorker site?
Yeah, it seems like a grammatical concession to to me, too. 'Very cheeky' indeed. Nicely played. |
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LEFT SIDE DRIVE! LEFT SIDE DRIVE! (also very well played) |
wow. a debate here about word meanings?
my 2 cents. bikesnob is doing fine here. this is one of those cases where something is often used with a certain meaning, but when one thinks about it a bit it is not clear why it does. but still, the fact is, this meaning is available ... |
Originally Posted by Ken Cox
(Post 4866660)
If I laugh at someone else, even someone doing something I myself did during one of the many absurd phases of my life, it makes me superior and above all that. |
Originally Posted by Gordiep
(Post 4873935)
All dictionaries are descriptive by design.
I'm riding my fixed gear bicycle as I type this. |
Originally Posted by the pope
(Post 4874263)
Excellent topic!
I've noticed something interesting. The New Yorker has replaced "ensure" with "insure" implying the exact same meaning. For example: I paid the cabbie twice the usual fare to insure I'd get to Hoboken on time. I never thought I'd see the day... very cheeky. |
Originally Posted by the pope
(Post 4874469)
LEFT SIDE DRIVE! LEFT SIDE DRIVE! (also very well played) |
saw one of these today actually here. cherubim frame ... well I guess it did have a front brake.
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Originally Posted by Placid Casual
(Post 4875997)
Yes, of course language changes over time, but letting the ignorant (e.g., people who don't know what it means to do something in concert) determine the nature of the change is just silly.
...that guy on the NY'er cover must be a friend of that freak in SF who rides the brakeless freewheel pista. Let's hope that his document tube comes with an airbag. |
Originally Posted by Gordiep
(Post 4876675)
Whether you care for it or not, the meaning is valid, and the usage is recognized by those of more flexible judgement.
1. Arranged by mutual agreement; agreed upon, pre-arranged; planned, contrived; done in concert. 1716 ADDISON Freeholder No. 6 (Seager) By concerted falsehoods. 1727 DE FOE Syst. Magic I. vi. 149 These people have certain concerted terms..upon repeating which he [the Devil] is to appear. 1814 SCOTT Wav. xxv, The whole was a concerted scheme to depress and degrade every member of the Waverley family. 1860 TYNDALL Glac. II. x. 276 A concerted signal was then made. 2. Mus. Arranged in parts for a number of voices or instruments. 1834 EARL OF MOUNT-EDGCUMBE Mus. Remin. (ed. 4) p. 124 The inferior singers never joined in any concerted piece. 1864 H. SPENCER Illustr. Univ. Progr. 433 Concerted pieces need interspersing with solos. 3. United in action or intention. 1897 MARQUIS OF SALISBURY in Times 16 Feb. 8/1 The concerted sympathy of the Powers remains complete. 1897 Daily News 25 May 8/1 Europe unfortunately, concerted or otherwise, is pretty well case-hardened to suffering. |
Grammatical Smackdown!
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Originally Posted by Gordiep
(Post 4876675)
Prescriptivism is a bad habit, and is usually endemic in people who don't understand common linguistic principles, but who are comforted (and generally empowered) by being able to say "dem's da rules, pal!".
Ah, that must be it. It can't be simply that I disagree with you; I must misunderstand something fundamental and be on a power trip. Got it. Hey, how do I get out of this room? I command you to show me how this doorknob works! |
Originally Posted by pharnabazos
(Post 4876959)
Just an OED question--how did you find out it was correct usage according to the OED? This is all I could find in the 2nd ed. Are updates posted somewhere else?
From the site:: adjective 1 jointly arranged, planned, or carried out; coordinated : determined to begin a concerted action against them. • strenuously carried out; done with great effort : it would take a concerted effort for a burglar to break into my home. 2 (of music) arranged in several parts of equal importance : concerted secular music for voices. If you have a Mac, the Dictionary.app is based around the American version of the OED, and a query will give you results similar to those you'd find in the web app. --I've subsequently checked several other online dictionary sources and found a divide in the results. Dictionary.com and M-W both omit the 'new' usage, but the Cambridge Online Dictionary includes it. Of course, lesser dictionary makers are notorious for lifting material from one-another, so these results don't necessarily indicate any significant trend. Some Google-mining has revealed a good mix of both new and traditional usages. In most examples of the new usage I've found, the idea seems to be that the speaker is 'pulling together all his various faculties' in order to fully concentrate them on the task at hand. The phrase is pretty common in college-level compositions, and I was genuinely surprised that anyone objected to it. That said, I realize the foolishness of our using a formal lexical reference to adjudicate usage in informal speech. Webspeech is interesting for how it bridges between spoken and written language, which were generally distinct prior to instant electronic communication. Unless a site strives for journalistic or literary credibility (Slate, NYT, etc), I don't think that it should be held to strict rules, if such things exist. Most linguists recognize that usage is all about context and audience. I honestly didn't mean to get so involved in this, as it's not really relevant and makes me look like a prick, but this happens to be sort of a hobby of mine, so y'know... And I'm surprised the mods haven't spanked us, yet. This discussion is pretty far afield of anything bike related. |
BSNYC is an entertainingly snarky writer; perhaps Ken Cox is reacting with just a tad too much vehemence. But am I the only person who thinks that there is something a *little* pathetic--something that bespeaks a deep loneliness--about mining the Craigslist "Missed Connections" section for acerbic commentary?
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Originally Posted by Placid Casual
(Post 4878596)
Hey, how do I get out of this room? I command you to show me how this doorknob works!
Here's something to get you started, but you shouldn't think that this is the only way. Keep after it-- you'll get it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door |
Originally Posted by Gordiep
(Post 4878639)
In most examples of the new usage I've found, the idea seems to be that the speaker is 'pulling together all his various faculties' in order to fully concentrate them on the task at hand.
And, of course, partly because they have heard or read it being used properly to describe an effort by two or more people: Owing to a concerted effort by members of the community, the old church was saved from demolition. A person who doesn't know the etymology can easily, and wrongly, assume that concerted in this case means that the members of the community worked really hard, rather than that the members of the community pooled their efforts. The phrase is pretty common in college-level compositions, That said, I realize the foolishness of our using a formal lexical reference to adjudicate usage in informal speech. Webspeech is interesting for how it bridges between spoken and written language, which were generally distinct prior to instant electronic communication. Unless a site strives for journalistic or literary credibility (Slate, NYT, etc), I don't think that it should be held to strict rules, if such things exist. Most linguists recognize that usage is all about context and audience. |
it's funny -- and i do appreciate his harshing on hipsters, but then again, i also feel like he equates all fixed gear riding to being a fad
pretty funny guy, though |
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