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Old 07-24-07, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by parkerlewis
You would think Kalavinka would know whether it:s safe or not......

......you paid 450 for it and its your frame. You want to ride it hard, and kalavinka gave it the all clear, so it sounds good to me.
Beautiful frame, Sashae! Do you have built up pics, or is this one to sell?
It's hanging on my wall at home. Unfortunately, it's about 5cm too small for me.
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I am going to say that fork is fine. It isn't going to fail on you, I give my internet anonymity guarantee!

A lugged fork crown is made to withstand a brake, and chances are the same crown is used on other model road bikes and they are all drilled(!).
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Looking forward to seeing this thing in person.
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Originally Posted by stewardmike03
When you build it and grab a handful of brake and the fork flexes like silly putty and the tire smacks the down tube remember what I said.
simple logic will tell you that a brake's force under use is transferred to the fork crown, not to the fork leg, so the crown itself would have to deform to run the tire into the downtube.

if the tubes/lugs/fork crown were that weak they would fail under the rider's weight

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Old 07-24-07, 09:20 AM
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The only difference between most "track" forks and "road" forks is the rake of the blades. Plenty of round-bladed forks were built for touring applications, so that's not it.

I'm only objecting to the drilling due to the general historical import of the frame, not as some sort of holy war against drilling in general.
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you hate our freedom to drill sashae

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Old 07-24-07, 09:41 AM
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idi disapproves.
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Originally Posted by sashae
The only difference between most "track" forks and "road" forks is the rake of the blades. Plenty of round-bladed forks were built for touring applications, so that's not it.

I'm only objecting to the drilling due to the general historical import of the frame, not as some sort of holy war against drilling in general.
Sashae i feel like a homewrecker. I just didn't know and no one around me gave input till after- i just want to give the bike a good ride and have it be enjoyed in its retirement.
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....just don't braze on a derailleur hanger
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Old 07-24-07, 10:21 AM
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You should def make a tall bike out of that 3rensho. Get a Huffy and weld that biatch on top.
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Old 07-24-07, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by eddiebrannan
simple logic will tell you that a brake's force under use is transferred to the fork crown, not to the fork leg, so the crown itself would have to deform to run the tire into the downtube.

if the tubes/lugs/fork crown were that weak they would fail under the rider's weight
Ermmm... I probably can't remember any of my highschool physics, but don't forget that there is a friction component between the braked wheel and the ground that actually stops the bike. What stops the bike is the friction between the tire and the ground. The brake acts to slow the wheel which interacts with the ground/pavement. If you think of braking on ice, even though the wheel is stopped, the bike keeps going... and going... and going...

Anyway, helloamerican, I'm glad you like your bike. You might try these guys for repro stickers if you're unable to find an original. https://www.velographicdecals.com/
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Originally Posted by cavit8
Ermmm... I probably can't remember any of my highschool physics, but don't forget that there is a friction component between the braked wheel and the ground that actually stops the bike. What stops the bike is the friction between the tire and the ground. The brake acts to slow the wheel which interacts with the ground/pavement. If you think of braking on ice, even though the wheel is stopped, the bike keeps going... and going... and going...[/url]
true, and i stand corrected, however the fork leg still isn't going to bend under braking to that degree
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I have a clamp, works wonders. Anyway, it's a track bike, try to stop it every time by resisting the pedals. You'll become much stronger. The brake should be only for emergency cases.

If you're not going to use it on velodrome, then I guess it's good that you drilled it. I have a clamp, so I can take it off when I'm on the track.
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Originally Posted by sashae
Wow, that's really depressing.

It's very unfortunate that you drilled that frame.
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It's hanging on my wall at home. Unfortunately, it's about 5cm too small for me.
exactly.
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Originally Posted by sashae
Wow, that's really depressing.
It's very unfortunate that you drilled that frame.

Relax, Its a already a keirin frame thats gonna be ridden on the streets of Georgia anyway.
At least HIS will get ridden instead of hanging on a damned wall.
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Originally Posted by deathhare
Relax, Its a already a keirin frame thats gonna be ridden on the streets of Georgia anyway.
At least HIS will get ridden instead of hanging on a damned wall.
Following this logic, he should now repaint it.
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Originally Posted by Tadashi
Following this logic, he should now repaint it.
If it makes it more usable for the owner, sure.
But i cant see why painting it would help it to be more useful.
What's your point?
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Old 07-24-07, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by deathhare
At least HIS will get ridden instead of hanging on a damned wall.
If it were my size, i'd ride it. As it is, I'd rather take care of it and enjoy it as a historical item than just dispose of it.
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Originally Posted by deathhare
If it makes it more usable for the owner, sure.
But i cant see why painting it would help it to be more useful.
What's your point?
It'll be more practical. No need to preserve original paint if it's busted.
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It'll be more practical. No need to preserve original paint if it's busted
Something about this statement does not make any sense.
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Originally Posted by Tadashi
It'll be more practical. No need to preserve original paint if it's busted.
How does paint make it more practical?
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It won't rust. And no need no wax it or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Tadashi
It won't rust. And no need no wax it or whatever.
I see your point.
Yes, in that case he should possibly paint it.
I know i would if it meant keeping rust from spreading.
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so whats the difference between this guy drilling his fork to make a bike that is NOT a museum piece and will NOT be raced again and someone who gets an njs goodie and puts a bunch of matching bullcrap on it?

ah, its not "authentic" enough.
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Originally Posted by kludge
so whats the difference between this guy drilling his fork to make a bike that is NOT a museum piece and will NOT be raced again and someone who gets an njs goodie and puts a bunch of matching bullcrap on it?
exactly.
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